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From: [e-mail] (Jason Linhart)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Experimental features in Layout?
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 16:33:00 GMT
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"David R. Stromberger" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Does anybody know what the "Experimental Features" are in
>Layout?  Hit Ctrl+Shift+F1 to enable them.  I noticed some new
>green and red lines in the scenes popup, but nothing else caught
>my eye.

>--
>David R. Stromberger
>http://www.iea.com/~pixelboy

These features are to be used at your own risk!!!!!!! NewTek is not
responsible for injury, bodily harm to co-workers or damage to office
furniture and equipment that might occur when using these features!

 : )

From the objects panel:

Ctrl+Shift+F2

Multiple target single envelope (MTSE) morphing.

Using this feature allows you to set up multiple morph targets and
control them from the first envelope.

To do this, set up multiple morph targets as you normally would
without changing any envelopes or morph values.  Hit Ctrl+Shift+F2,
this turns on.  By adjusting the first envelope, you can now move
through all of the different targets.

0-100% = first target
100-200% = second target
200-300% = third target
etc.

This works, but AFAIK you can't skip targets all together, when you go
from 100% to 400% you still pass through the other 2 targets.


Ctrl+Shift+F3

Cell Look Edges.

This will draw the colored border around the outside of the object and
around contours.  This is one part of a two part process to create the
2D cell look.  The second part is a surface shader plugin that will be
available later.  You can get an OK look by using flat colors and no
specularity on your surfaces.


From the images panel:

Ctrl+Shift+F2

Field Mapping.

This will load interlaced images into LW and use the separate fields
for mapping during Field Rendering,  This function helps to fight the
field separation you might encounter during image mapping with video
sequences.

I hope this helps!

Jason (Looking out for my own agenda) Linhart
NewTek, Inc.



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From: Manuel Coats <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: BOOKS & VIDEOS FOR LIGHTWAVE
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 11:37:33 -0800
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On Sun, 10 Mar 1996, Ivan Sinclair wrote:

> >Alan Chan's "fx Kit for Lightwave" is much better, though it is mainly
> >a series of tutorials, not a comprehensive overview.
>
> Tutorials are cool for me. If you have an ISBN number I'd appreciate
> it.
>
> >Then get into some outside tutorials if you want: look into the
> >Thornton tapes, a subscription to LWPro and Lightspeed.
>
> LWPro I know but what is Lightspeed?
> Thanks again for the warning about the Exploring Lightwave 3D book.
>  I had a similar problem with the original Photoshop Wow! book.
> Lots of missed steps in the examples that led to frustration.
>    Ivan Sinclair - [e-mail]

Both the Lightspeed videos and the FX Kit for Lightwave book can be
ordered by calling Lightspeed at 805-726-3545.  US customers can use the
toll free # of 800-764-8696 or anyone can fax an order to 805-726-3544.

To answer your questions, Lightspeed is a VIDEO magazine.  You can
subscribe to it like a regular magazine or pick one up at your local
Lightwave dealer (tell them to order if they don't stock it).  Instead of
a paper back magazine with tutorials, you get a vhs video with tutorials,
reviews, animations and more.  Each video generally runs 60-90 minutes in
length.  Lightspeed was started late last year and so far there are 5
issues with a 6th issue due out around the end of the month.  The
Lightspeed vidoes are very affordable as well. Under a US subscription
each video can be as low as $11 each.  Normal price is $19.95 each if
bought separately.  For more information on this and our other products,
you can check out our web page at: http://www.webcom.com/lghtspd

Enjoy.

Manuel Coats
LIGHTSPEED

**** 5 Weeks left to enter the 1996 Lightspeed Animation Contest! ****
**** OVER $25,000 in prizes to be won with 15 prize packages !!!! ****



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From: TL Westgate <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Computer Graphics Job Offer
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Kevin McLaine wrote:
>
> WORK FROM YOUR HOME WITH YOUR COMPUTER
>
> 3RD Dimension Technologies, INC, a Hollywood special FX company
>
> searching for computer literate people to contract with to assist
>
> in 3D graphics.Will train but must already know Windows 3.1 or better.
>
> System Requirements
>
> 486 DX 2-66, 8 meg RAM
> IBM PC or compatable
> Super VGA Color Monitor
> Running Windows 3.1 or better
>
> For more info call Tracy or Robin at 800/455-3558

Don't bother calling this place,in my opinion. I did and they are
offering for you to trace real-world photos that you scan into their
software, which they then digitize into 3-D objects. They say you can
make $200-$800 per model, depending on your complexity. The problem is
they want $400 from you up front for their software!!!!! What a rip!!


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From: [e-mail] (Tim Gunn)
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[e-mail] (Marek Kiela) wrote:


>    Hi.. I'm using LW4.0 under Win95, and like many others, I've had
>trouble rendering to AVI. I tried re-extracting the avifil32.dll
>file from the 8th CABFILE, but it still refuses to save to an AVI. I've
>picked the following out of my erlog.txt, maybe it can shed some light on
>the problem:
>    Any help greatly appreciated.

The avifil32.dll isn't always the problem, In many cases it seems that
the HIIP Avi savers just don't like windows 95. Use the NewTek AVI
saver instead. It is more reliable on win95.



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From: Ernie Wright <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Morph a ball into a character
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Morten Steen wrote:

> The idea is that i want four balls to be morphed into a 'ALCO' logo.
>
> I know that the objects must have the same number of points but I
> need to know how to make a ball with the same number of points as the
> character.

A good start would be to use the Spherize macro.  The 'A' and 'O' are
problems, though, because they have holes--they're not topologically
equivalent to spheres.  One solution would be to cover the holes with
polygons before spherizing the characters.  Make these hole polygons
transparent for the character models and opaque for the spheres, and
morph surfaces.

And people thought the failure to cut holes in TT fonts was a *bug*!

- Ernie


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From: [e-mail] (robert hood)
Subject: Re: programming plugins
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[e-mail] wrote:
> > [e-mail] (Tony Schreiner) writes:
> >MarcICIB ([e-mail]) wrote:
> >: Try out the Microsoft MSVC 2.0 i think with Borland you will get trouble.
> >: Watcom might work also. We are using the MSVC 2.0 and 4.0. Use first the
> >: makefiles supplied with the sample code. Ok thats all.
> >
> >  Has anybody had any luck programming plugins with Borland?  I bought
> >  Borland 4.51 last fall for school and have considered trying to write
> >  some plugins.  I can't just go buy another C/C++ compiler since I alrea
> >  have Borland.
>
>     Extensive threads in the Plugin Mailing List decided that the only
>     practical route was with the MS product.

You might want to look into BML as an alternative to writing "hard" plugins
for Modeler (and soon for Layout as well).

       http://www.dimensional.com/~vvisions/

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Come check out the new Virtual Visions World Wide Web site and get a look
at the next generation of scripting for LightWave 3D:

         http://www.dimensional.com/~vvisions/

There's even an evaluation version of the Scripting Plugin available
for download!

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From: David Forbus <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: PPRO or ALPHA
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:16:30 -0600
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To: "William A. Mendez" <[e-mail]>

William A. Mendez wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I currently own an ALPHA 233 and wish to upgrade My motherboard,  My
> question is should I go with a 300MHZ ALPHA or a less expensive upgrade
> PP200.
>
> Also can My Lightwave license be transfered over to INTEL?
>
> 2nd Question:
>
> Is there anyone out there that has the pleasure of working with a
> Raptor as well as a DEC board, that can verify if there is any
> performance loss with the Raptor machines.
>
> Thanks!
> Will

From the benchmark tests I have seen, a Pentium Pro 200 will give you
little if any speed increase at all over your current system. From
what I have seen, the claim that the PentiumPro chips are the fastest
on the planet is either a lie or some fine print states: "Excluding
Alpha CPUs" Look for some reliable bench mark tests and compare the
facts. BTW, I hear the Alpha 366MHz are now shipping.

DLF

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From: David Forbus <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: About Fences ====>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 15:28:55 -0600
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To: TL Westgate <[e-mail]>

TL Westgate wrote:
>
> From: Scott D. O'Neal  sc0t
>
> Subj: LW
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
> >
>

SNIP......

> >Also, any answers for this: I need to render an animation with a
> >rather long chain link fence. Which method would be better: modeling the
> >whole fence, or making a box with a transparency map applied?
> Depending on your scene I would try to go ahead and model one section of
> fence
> and then repeat it as much as you need in the scene. Both clip maps and
> negative transp maps will work, but you may end up with a Doom-looking
> fence
> that seems very "maped".
>
> Good Luck
>
> GBi

I have tried both methods of creating a fence. A clip masked object
worked best. Use two image maps, one for clipping, another for
bump mapping. (So the fence does not look flat.) Also, use two objects,
one for the fencing material, and another for the poles.

DLF

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Am doing a sequence where a custom font logo appears as if written on the
screen. Would anyone be so kind as to explain the procedure necessary to
achieve this effect!?! Many Thanks in advance. PS, I will also need to
render out the alpha channel for this anim, will the clip map give me a
messed up alpha channel?
-Dennis

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Subject: Re: Batch Proc. LW frames in Photoshop
Date: 12 Mar 96 22:46:15 -0800
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>>>
excellent!! I never thought to use the Windows recorder.
<<<

I think Visial Basic would be better. You have much more control over
the process.

Al Mejias


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>>>
 ... I invested the money in Ron Thorton's tapes on modeling,
surfacing Spacecraft. I do like the cut that In.Focus had with
packaging the CD rom with the tape though.

   -bill
<<<

Please tell me more about this tape CD-ROM offer.

Al Mejias


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From: Clint Eland <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation
Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
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Gary Eastham wrote:
>
> Why is it that most TV shows are incorporating LW instead of 3DS?  Although
> 3DS doesn't have the Raytracing rendering, photorealistic scenes can and are
> still obtainable.  This is accomplished through proper lighting.  So, why
> is the above the case?
>
> Regards,
>         Gary Eastham


With respect to everyone else's opinion, I believe the renderer had more
to do with LW's heavy broadcast use than anything else.  While 3D Studio
is an excellent program, long-time users know that it has a definite
'look'.  When useing a lot of maps, I find it tends to look a bit
'muddy'(even when map filtering is turned off.

LW on the otherhand is very clean and has some very usable features that
lend themselves well to space / underwater scenes.

Of course price and platform could have something to do with it too.


Clint Eland
-----------------------------------
Digital Effects Instructor / Systems Manager
Vancouver Film School, Classical Animation Dept.
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Rob Borsari)
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Subject: Re: Intergraph TD 300 Benchmarks
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Are these the first frame rendered or are they "middle" frames that don't
include the buffer alocation and so forth?  Just wondering. -R-

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Kurt Harmel ([e-mail]) wrote:
: and I'd rather not spend five years modeling one. Has anyone found any
: other human objects ; preferably cheaper in price (if not free) but of
: good quality?

(Blatant plug mode on)

Check out the shapely Manga Babes(tm) at:

http://www.AnimatedObjects.com/www/area/tomwoof.htm
http://www.yab.com/~symedia/tomwoof/index.html

(Plug mode off)

-tomwoof


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From: [e-mail] (MICHAEL C. LING)
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Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
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On Mar 12, 1996 12:43:42 in article <Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With
NewTek>, '[e-mail] (Stranahan)' wrote:

>
>I've made a lot of money with LightWave, but I remember being really poor
>and having to convince my wife why we needed a Toaster. It was $1595 and
>it was a LOT of money for us. Whenever I hear people say 'LW is cheap', I
>wonder who paid for their copy.

And if you count the cost of the upgrades it's a lot more.

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Anyone know of a way to **really** line up LW objects and the background
image in layout so when rendered they match?  I've tried resizing my
background image, changing render modes, etc.  But everytime I think I've
got my objects lined up with the greyscale background, they render down
and to the right.  Any suggestions?
TIA.
PJ
[e-mail]
Visual Designer

"Look and you will find it--what is unsought will go undetected"
SOPHOCLES

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Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> It may decrease your time to migrate to another platform, but I'll bet
>> _you_ haven't done any production work on an Amiga in a long time :=)
>> Once you've migrated in a production environment, I don't think you
>> care anymore what you left behind.
>
>I still use my Amiga fairly often for DPainting and to do "ARexx model-
>ing."  In fact, just last week I did a major renovation of the curved
>text macro for...well, if you must know, for a flying logo animation of
>a government seal.  And some production environments have a mix of NT
>and SGI.  So the issue isn't one-time platform migration but day-to-day
>work on multiple platforms.
>
>Nor is it fair to imply, as more than one person has in this thread,
>that LW has an Amiga (as opposed to a Windows) interface.  It does not,
>something Amiga LW users themselves have complained about.  LW wasn't
>using the system file requester before 3.5, and its support of 3rd party
>Amiga display hardware still isn't as complete as some would like.
>
>But while we're on the subject, I think the typical Windows interface
>has become an artless clutter of mostly useless gewgaws meant to dazzle
>the rabble (and sell hard drives--anyone ever ponder the absurdity of a
>simple word processor taking up 80 megs of storage?).  I'm probably a
>throwback, but I *never* drag-and-drop or link-and-embed or use any of
>the other gee-whiz features that are supposed to make my life better.
>I drop into a shell to copy files.  It's *easier*.
>
>It's not that I wouldn't like to see some changes to LW's interface.
>I'd just like them to be evolutionary, and to avoid turning LW into yet
>another junky Windows program.
>
>- Ernie
>
In addition to the above, which I wholeheartedly agree with, I would
like to add that another problem with the gee wiz interfaces being
developed for 'windows' programs is that a button for a particular
function is never in the same place twice. If I move one of my tear
off menus to get it out of the way of some other moveable item, the
next time I need a button from that menu I have to go hunting for it.
In Photoshop, if someone else comes in a uses the program and moves
everything around, when I use the program again I have to find where
everthing went. In Lightwave, on the other hand, buttons and entry
fields are always in the same place, every time I run the program, day
after day after day. That's and easy to learn and use interface.


Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
[e-mail]

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    Has anyone heard of the possibility of an "extended bevel"
    feature for lightwave?

    This would be a way to select any number of connected
    polygons, constituting an area... which could then be
    beveled as a single unit... as opposed to adding a bevel
    to every polygon selected as is currently the case.

    Hopefully it's planned for the future... or perhaps it
    is possible as a modeler macro?

    Mike P.


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From: [e-mail](Joe Schrengohst )
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Subject: Re: Fw: Which 3D program?
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In <[e-mail]> Mike Schnabel
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>FlyingShan wrote:
>
>> The fact is, Real3d is a new player. It's been around and slowly
>> developing for a while, but anything older than version 3 (including
the
>> demo you messed with, which is awful and has been removed from most
sites)
>> really isn't worth the time IMHO. So you're trying to compare
software
>> which is just now realizing it's potential to industry standards,
and
>> wondering why Real hasn't overnight replaced all the tools used in
the
>> indistry for years. It doesn't work that way. :)
>
>Is it all that new? or is this just on the PC?
>ABout 5 years ago when I first started shopping for a 3d program for
use with my Amiga
>I had my options narrowed to Imagine and A program I am pretty sure
was called Real
>3D. I am not sur if this is the same program that has been since
ported to the PC or
>if that old Real 3d no longer exists and this new one is something
completely
>different.
>
>I ended up going with Imagine BTW because its animation controls were
reviewed at the
>time as being more powerful.
>
>Anyone have any thoughts on this.

The current Real 3D on the PC is the same one that started out on the
Amiga years ago although updated.



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From: [e-mail] (Maan M. Hamze)
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Subject: Re: It's a LIVE!
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David Forbus <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> LIVE hardware is comprised of the following:
>>
>> *  Silicon Graphics Power Onyx system with four R8000 processors and two
>>    Reality Engine 2s.
>> *  5 gigabytes of RAM.
>> *  200 gigabytes of fast disk (single-file optimized read rate of 250
>>    megabytes/sec).

This makes my computer looks like a speck of dust in the solar system.
>>
>>  mass storage systems (scott and
>> chuck, presently 1.8 terrabytes)

so, someone actually gets to use the word terra without  shame and not
as a joke.
>>
>>

>Is anyone else sexually aroused?

Are you kidding?  I'll dump Sharon Stone for this babe!

Maan M. Hamze
[e-mail]


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>snip...........

>> LIVE hardware is comprised of the following:
>>
>> *  Silicon Graphics Power Onyx system with four R8000 processors and two
>>    Reality Engine 2s.
>> *  5 gigabytes of RAM.
>> *  200 gigabytes of fast disk (single-file optimized read rate of 250
>>    megabytes/sec).
>>
>> LIVE is connected to the NAS Cray C-90 (vn) and mass storage systems (scott
>> and chuck, presently 1.8 terrabytes) via a HiPPI connection capable of 60
>> megabytes/sec peak transfer rate.
>>
>>

>Is anyone else sexually aroused?

Not me. :)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Patrick Hanevold - VR developer - [e-mail]
  Silicon Graphics Power Onyx system with four R8000 processors and two
    Reality Engine 2s. 5 gigabytes of RAM. 200 gigabytes of fast disk
        (single-file optimized read rate of 250 megabytes/sec).
--------------------- But heck, my Amy boots faster. :) ---------------------


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From: [e-mail](Alan Chan )
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In <4i5cgp$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike Powell) writes:
>
>
>
>    Has anyone heard of the possibility of an "extended bevel"
>    feature for lightwave?
>
>    This would be a way to select any number of connected
>    polygons, constituting an area... which could then be
>    beveled as a single unit... as opposed to adding a bevel
>    to every polygon selected as is currently the case.
>
>    Hopefully it's planned for the future... or perhaps it
>    is possible as a modeler macro?

Try the Smooth Shift tool. It's kinda like Bevel Lite.

AC


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From: [e-mail] (InstntGuts)
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Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Problem With NewTek
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<<How could 3DS MAX possibly be the "Photoshop of 3D" with a $3000+ price
tag.>>

Price has much less to do with this equation than extensibility. 3D Studio
MAX is designed to be a completely open 3D modeling/animating/rendering PC
environment, running as a native Windows NT app. Autodesk's intention is
for 3DS MAX to become the 32-bit 3D PC standard, with the secondary market
for MAX plug-ins becoming lucrative for their developers. (Just as
Photoshop is the 2D image standard, with many filters/plug-ins available.)
Big money in MAX sales means big plug-in momentum (which is already
starting), which means MAX sales increase because of perception that it is
the 3D PC standard, which drives more plug-in development, which drives
more MAX sales... That's what Autodesk is shooting for.

-- Jon

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From: [e-mail] (David Ingebretsen)
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Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
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Note I've changed the followup line to be JUST c.g.animation as there
is no need to incite a 3D tool war in the 3DS and LightWave groups.

Adam Chrystie ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I just hope LW evolves some character animation type tools rather than focus on the
: 'space techy' features.
:

I'll suggest that Hash's Animation Master sports an excellent
character animation tool set as does Real 3D both on the desk top.

Granted it gets to be a little much to try to have and learn several
different tools of the complexity that 3D software has. To that end,
I've dropped LW and have moved over to Real 3D. It has some of the
best tools for charatcter animation that I've seen including spline
mesh modelling/rendering, skeletons, Hierarchical IK with constraints,
over 20 different methods for animation (including key frame) built in
with the ability to add more via AREXX (Amiga only) and RPL (all
platforms).

So what if (fill in TV show here) uses LW. I can do "space techy" too,
plus I've made my clients very happy with Real's animation abilities.

--
David

David M. Ingebretsen             *** Binary Illusions / 3D Physics ***
[e-mail]            ***       Animation and more      ***

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From: "D.A.Wood" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Reveal's Video Artist?
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robert hood wrote:
>
> Has anybody heard about, played with, or used the Reveal Video Artist
> hardward?  I just ran across it at my local Circuit City, but I only had
> a moment to examine it.  It appears to a video-capture, non-linear
> editor, and MPEG-playback-directly-to-video kinda system.
>
> I'm specifically interested to know if anybody has used it with LightWave
> (or any other 3D animation system) frames, and how good the output quality
> is.

I've been playing with it for several weeks using output from both
lightwave and 3ds , and am impressed with it's quality (though not
'broadcast'). The tools that come with it are very useful - conversion
from fli;flc;flx to avi - jpeg compression - auto input of sequential
image files (30+ formats) for conversion to avi etc. The special effects
are good though not as plentiful as Adobe Premier ( I use Premier with
the board as well). Be sure to download the 32 bit drivers and capture
program from their web site -- www.reveal.com -- .

P.S. I believe there is a $50 rebate program still in effect - check it
out.

 Dixon

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Subject: Re: It's a LIVE!
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>>> LIVE hardware is comprised of the following:
>>>
>>> *  Silicon Graphics Power Onyx system with four R8000 processors and two
>>>    Reality Engine 2s.
>>> *  5 gigabytes of RAM.
>>> *  200 gigabytes of fast disk (single-file optimized read rate of 250
>>>    megabytes/sec).
>>>
>>> LIVE is connected to the NAS Cray C-90 (vn) and mass storage systems (scott
>>> and chuck, presently 1.8 terrabytes) via a HiPPI connection capable of 60
>>> megabytes/sec peak transfer rate.

What is LIVE used for?

--
Alan Latteri
Flint/Flame Artist
[phone]
[e-mail]
http://www.pobox.com/~alatt

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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
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Subject: Re: Help Find Lee Stranahan a Job!
Date: 13 Mar 1996 01:33:19 -0500
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In article <4h4o4g$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (The Glory Boys)
writes:

>>        -Said New Suit arrives, and begins posting memos (to delight of
>>         His BeanPeers) that there is now a DRESS CODE that will be
>>         enforced, and everyone is expected to Clock in ON TIME!
>
>If this hypothetical situation (nowhere that I've ever worked or seen has
>this
>scenario ever occured by the way) is the worst of your problems, then
you're
>probably to whiny to work with anyway.  Would you rather be a high level
>programmer for a successful software firm, or the poster boy for Bob's
Sun
>and
>Surf shop...I've never understood this strict adherence to a T-Shirt and
>shorts dress code just like I've never understood the strict adherence to
the
>
>EDS-style dress code.

      I've seen it happen, take FTP software for example. Almost every
member of the original team left due to the new time/dress requirements. I
currently work for a starting company, no time clocks, no dress codes,
etc.. If time clocks and dress codes came in, we'd leave. It stiffles the
creative mind to constantly have to please the rest of the world with your
cloths, and prefered work hours. I'm just not creative at 8am, so why
should I be here before noon? I won't get anything done.. So I'm not
here..



Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
RICH!!!!"



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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Newtek Customer Support?
Date: 13 Mar 1996 01:37:42 -0500
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In article <4gvg9a$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:

>> I'd love it
>>  if they would add basic polygon creation abilities in layout (in the
SDK,
>>  not the interface) this way real-time object to object skinning could
be
>>  achieved without the assortment of hacks you'd have to do to create it
>>  now..
>
>    ????  How would this differ from the same thing Modeler?
>
>

    It would differ in a lot of ways. Imagine taking two objects, linking
them together, and then being able to move each object (as a seperate
object) and have the polygons in-between streatch to meet the other
object. It's like bones, but with much more control over influence..


Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
RICH!!!!"



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From: Ernie Wright <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: How to Re-identify Surfaces on Completed Models?
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 01:44:49 -0500
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Kurt Harmel wrote:

> It seems I need to clarify the question better. What I was asking was
> not how to find the surface names applied to an object in modeler, but
> rather how to find the names of the suface textures in layout that were
> applied to those surfaces named in modeler.

People are scratching their heads at this point, but I know what the
source of the confusion is.

> It came to me afterward that you might change the name of the surface
> directory and when the saved object is loaded, layout will specify
> what surface it needs, thus solving the mystery.

I'm guessing that you're looking for the *filenames* of the surfaces
for a given object.  That information doesn't exist.  The surface data
itself is stored inside the object files.

- Ernie


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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
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Subject: Re: Help Lee Stranahan find a new title for this thread
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dwight
Gruber) writes:

>Having owned and used both, I can assure you that for all purposes
>(except, perhaps, the odd crack on the noggin) plastic YoYos are superior
>to wooden ones.
>
>                                         --DwightG
>
>

    I beg to differ, my good man - I'll take my wooden over your plastic
any day!


Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
RICH!!!!"



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From: [e-mail] (Blake Porter)
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Why is it when I adjust a keyframe within a motion path useing Bias &
continuity.  Then have parts of the motion Align to path with (using
Aligns numeric values), the Bias/Continuity keys have the object
spinning 360's for the duration of their other wise non-spinning motion.

IT'S WACKY-WACKY AND DRIVING ME NUTS!

Blake

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) writes:

>
>If I model a yo-yo and animate "The Brain Twister", will this post be on
>topic?
>
>
>

    this I'd like to see..


Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: LW interfacing with Film
Date: 13 Mar 1996 01:48:06 -0500
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In article <4h3iva$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (FXMatte)
writes:

>(When replying to this post Lee, please limit the names you call me to
the
>following list: Mr. Poopy Pants, dumb head, long haired hippie freak, doo
>doo face, dummie, stupid brain, booger butt, femmy girly woman, or booby.

>If none of these suffice, feel free to use the old stand by, "I know you
>are but what am I?")
>
>

     well, I was off the newsgroup for about a week and a half - glad it
hasn't changed a bit!!!!!


Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: ANY other LIGHTWAVE newsgroups????????
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (TIMCORP)
writes:

>are there any other good lightwave newsgroups??????
>
>if you can please email me a list to: [e-mail]
>
>thx, timcorp

     I believe there's the Comp.Graphics.apps.lightwave.leestranahan
group..



Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation
Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
Date: 13 Mar 96 20:36:50 +1200
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> Why is it that most TV shows are incorporating LW instead of 3DS?  Although
> 3DS doesn't have the Raytracing rendering, photorealistic scenes can and are
> still obtainable.  This is accomplished through proper lighting.  So, why
> is the above the case?

It's not so a much a case of LW being more suitable for video (if it were,
Alias would probably be the dominant software for TV shows), but that it was
the software shipped with the video toaster. The video toaster changed the face
of the industry, and established a huge userbase in the video industry, (but few
others - LW is used for a much wider range of industries now, but is far from
dominant in any except video) the results of which you seem to have noticed :-)

Rhetorical Question:
If an inferior package to LW had been shipped with the toaster, would it still
be the dominant package in video? (LW being availible as a competing package,
but no video hardware, just like 3ds (AFAIK) in those days.


(I suspect the answer would be "Yes, but it's on its way out...".)


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From: [e-mail] (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: Re: User Interface:  was Re: MAX or Lightwave?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <4i3666$[e-mail]>,
William Teegarden <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Well, I for one like the old LW interface as opposed to a more standard
>windows interface.  One of the things I hate about windows or even mac
>interfaces is the drop down menus.  Having panels pop up from buttons
>on the top is easier to work with than having to hunt through different
>drop down sub-menus.

Indeed!  This sort of comment isn't made often enough.  Simply because
Microsoft has defined what they consider to be the universal interface,
doesn't make it by any means the best or even a desirable interface
for many applications.  An example of an excellent product in the audio editing
arena, that has also largely gone against the grain of total
adherence to the "typical" Windows interface, is IQS's "SAW Plus"...

Having the best interface possible in a cross-platform environment, even if
it goes against the grain, is to be applauded in Lightwave.

--Lauren--
http://www.vortex.com

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> >>
>
> >Is anyone else sexually aroused?
>
> Are you kidding?  I'll dump Sharon Stone for this babe!
>

Heck,..for that system,..you could probably render your very own Sharon Stone!
..maybe even a Supermodel!

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Subject: Re: Morph a ball into a character
Date: 13 Mar 1996 08:30:04 GMT
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>  Morten Steen wrote:
>
>  > The idea is that i want four balls to be morphed into a 'ALCO' logo.
>  >
>  > I know that the objects must have the same number of points but I
>  > need to know how to make a ball with the same number of points as the
>  > character.
>
>  A good start would be to use the Spherize macro. <BZZT!>

    I disagree:  a 2d morph would be FAR easier.

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: User Interface:  was Re: MAX or Lightwave?
Date: 13 Mar 1996 08:35:25 GMT
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>  Elliot Bain wrote:
>>  > By using the Windows Interface, you could finally add printing services to LW
>  > and modeler. What a sorely missing feature for documentation purposes. While
>  > this might not sound too important to an animator, it's vital to project
>  > managers.

    Hmmm, what exactly did you want to print out?  LWScene files are already
ASCII.

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: User Interface: was Re: MAX or Lightwave?
Date: 13 Mar 1996 08:40:14 GMT
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>   Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> writes:
>   anyone ever ponder the absurdity of a
>  simple word processor taking up 80 megs of storage?).

    Only every morning.

>  I'm probably a
>  throwback, but I *never* drag-and-drop or link-and-embed or use any of
>  the other gee-whiz features that are supposed to make my life better.
>  I drop into a shell to copy files.  It's *easier*.

    I miss my Amiga utilities, such as DirOpus.  When are they porting it?
    (Yes, Ernie, you are hard-core to use a shell.)


>  It's not that I wouldn't like to see some changes to LW's interface.
>  I'd just like them to be evolutionary, and to avoid turning LW into yet
>  another junky Windows program.

    There's plenty to fix in the LW interface, but going Windoze style isn't
    one of them.  I loathe the wimpy lame & stupid Windoze file requester.
    You can't even resize the fucking thing!


>  - Ernie

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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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In message <[e-mail]>
        Jeff Jasper <[e-mail]> writes:

> > > I'm a student and I can afford 3DSr4 and MAX, I'm sure professionals can
> > > handle the price too. I have to say MAX has one of the best
modelers around,

> > And exactly how BIG a grant are you on?:-}

> No grant, at $250 to upgrade my $400 r4 package, it isn't expensive at all
> considering I get to keep and use both packages together.

> I do have a big fat loan though ;)

> Jeff

I am considering max or soft/nt for chracter anims unless newtek get
there heads out of space :-}
No,only a joke but will seriosly consider them unless lw improves on this side.


--
Simon Blackledge                                       [e-mail]
                 Creators of Digital Visual Effects
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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
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Subject: Re: Do you have plugins ?
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In message <[e-mail]>
        [e-mail] (Stuart Ferguson) writes:

> Many of the shader parameters in the LightWave SDK are designed to
> parallel their RenderMan counterparts.  For RM shaders without
> displacement mapping, converting to a LightWave plug-in will be just
> a transliteration into C.
> --
>  Stuart Ferguson  ([e-mail])
>   "How do you compute that?  Where on the
>    graph do `must' and `cannot' meet?"


Don`t really know thatt much about rm shaders but can you explain the
displacement bit.{i know what it means in lw but do they fake it in
rm or what? :-{
Thanks.
--
Simon Blackledge                                       [e-mail]
                 Creators of Digital Visual Effects
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From: [e-mail] (Dennis Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: LW and VMM? (Amiga)
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Ho there,

I'm just now in the process of learning to use LW, after nearly a decade of
Imagine/TS use, and I'm finding that while Imagine has a whole lot more
features, the ones the LW has work far better and faster than their Imagine
counterparts.

However, one thing that Imagine does do that LW (apparently) does not is work
with VMM, the PD virtual memory program.

Has anybody gotten LW and VMM to work with each other? How'd you do it?

--
--------------------------
Dennis Grant
[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Laurent Moccozet)
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Subject: Lastest Call For Films - Computer Animation'96
Date: 13 Mar 1996 14:15:35 GMT
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          Computer Animation'96 Film Festival (Call for Films)

                Last Call for Computer-Generated Films
                --------------------------------------

URGENT  URGENT  URGENT  URGENT  URGENT  URGENT  URGENT  URGENT  URGENT

The Ninth Computer-Generated Film Festival of Geneva will contain a
selection of outstanding computer graphic animation.

Submit NOW your latest work in computer animation. Selected films will
be shown on public screening. Several awards including the Award
of the City of Geneva will be decerned by an international panel of
judges. Films should be submitted in video VHS or preferably UMATIC
(PAL or NTSC) or Betacam (PAL only).
Please include film credits and complete description of the work.


- Call for Films Form :

                         COMPUTER ANIMATION '96
                         Geneva, June 4-8, 1996
                            CALL FOR FILMS


(Please join 3 slides to your tape submission.Fill in one
entry form for each film submitted)

Work         Title  _________________________________________________


            Length _________________________________________________


            Summary ________________________________________________


            ________________________________________________________


            ________________________________________________________


            ________________________________________________________



Category    __ Art           __ Advertising  __ Fiction

            __ Research     __ Junior       __ Science


Support     __ U-Matic/Pal       __ One inch/Pal     __ Betacam/Pal

            __ U-Matic/NTSC

            __ High Band        __ Low Band

            Please, note that no VHS and no Betacam NTSC are accepted


Contact     Name ____________________ First Name ___________________


            Company ________________________________________________


            Address ________________________________________________


            ________________________________________________________


            Phone ___________________ Fax __________________________


Directors   Name ___________________________________________________


            Company ________________________________________________


            Address ________________________________________________


            ________________________________________________________


            Phone ___________________ Fax __________________________


Film         Script _________________________________________________
Description

            ________________________________________________________


            ________________________________________________________


            Hardware _______________________________________________


            ________________________________________________________


            Animation ______________________________________________


            ________________________________________________________


            Software _______________________________________________


            ________________________________________________________


            Computer graphics techniques used ______________________


            ________________________________________________________


            ________________________________________________________


            ________________________________________________________



            Music  _________________________________________________


            ________________________________________________________



Conditions of acceptance of your film
            I hereby release to the festival organizers the right
            to use a clip of my film in CA'96 promotion.

            I hereby release the right to CA'96 to give excepts of my
            film for television (no more than 30 seconds) for the
            promotion of the festival.

Release of a VHS tape
            We will release a VHS tape of the CA'96 Film Festival.
            This tape will contain the submitted films and will be
            sold at minimal cost.
            Please confirm your acceptance of having your film
            included on this compilation tape.

            __ I agree      __ I don't agree





Date _______________________ Signature _________________________


Send by express mail your films, with slides and film registration form to

Computer Animation '96
University of Geneva
MIRALab - CUI
24, rue General-Dufour
1211 Geneve 4
Switzerland

Phone  [phone]
Fax    [phone]

And return the form to : [e-mail]

More informations at http://miralabwww.unige.ch/Events/CA/

----
Laurent [e-mail]-(41-22)705-77-64


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From: brad prosise <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Pinello Plugin?
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Has anyone used the full blown pinello plugin for lightwave on
the PC. (not the demo included). I would like some impressions
regarding its use. Also I need to know where I can get it. Is
it made by Xaos Tools or someone else. Thanks for any
information.
--
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the police are English, the mechanics are all Germans, and the
whole thing is organized by the Swiss.
In hell, the cooks are all English, the lovers are Swiss, the
police
are German, the mechanics are French, and the whole thing is
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the Italians.

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From: [e-mail] (Douglas Rudd)
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Subject: Re: RAM & Diamond Stealth Problems
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Gwynne Reddick <[e-mail]> writes:

>In article: <[e-mail]>  Todd Mizomi <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>> Lightwave only seems to recognize 10Megs of RAM in the scene panel
>> even though we have 32 (running Win95 BTW).  Does this mean LW uses
>> 22megs JUST for the program?!?!?
>>
>Use  the system monitor to check on the size of your disk cache -
>you`ll more than likely get quite a surprise. The min and max values can
>be set in the system.ini under the vcache section. W95 was using
>anywhere between 12 and 23 megs on my machine `til I set the max
>value to 2megs!

DAMN! So THIS is why win95 is sucking down 22 mb of my ram! I checked
it with Norton and FirstAid and both confirm it. MagnaRam helps, but not
enough. If this (system.ini) works, it will make life much better.


Doug Rudd

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[e-mail] (marcus hoefer) wrote:

>Hi,
>I've got the explode.zip and the explode.p  plug-in from the Newtek
>FTP-server. But I didn't understand the procedure to add it to my
>other plug-ins. All other plug-ins I have, will be added without
>problems. Only explode won't. The small doc says something about Arexx
>(?).

>Does anyone have experience with explode.p for the PC (Win 95, LW 4.0)
>or ist it only for the Amiga?

>thx for help

I hagve an ALPHA system, and was able to locate these plugins
(including EXPLODE) for my system by contacting the Lightwave list
"[e-mail]".   They should be able to help you.

>Marcus

>[e-mail]
>




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Gord Davison wrote:
> =

>  As always, it comes down to a matter of personal taste. I think the real=
 crux
>  of the matter with a modeless interface is how do you logically arrange =
tools
>  and features in a functional and productive way, and avoid cluttering th=
e
>  screen. There's only *so much* info you can fit on a single screen [unle=
ss
>  you're working in 1600x1200 ;-)].
>The answer is right at your fingertips. Intellegent use of the right mouse=
 button, =

as is already implemented in some programs, solves the problem handily, or =

fingerally<g>. By making Context Sensitive Pop-Up Menus, initiated by a rig=
ht click, =

you can be essentially modeless and have the proper tools at your fingertip=
s when =

you need them.

>  OTOH, [hedging my bets ;-)], maybe I'm just waiting for the right "model=
ess"
>  interface to comes along. Then I'll be a believer :-).
> =

> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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-- =

Elliot Bain
Laurell Creative Services
[e-mail]
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Douglas Rudd wrote:
>
> Gwynne Reddick <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> >In article: <[e-mail]>  Todd Mizomi <[e-mail]> writes:
> >>
> >> Lightwave only seems to recognize 10Megs of RAM in the scene panel
> >> even though we have 32 (running Win95 BTW).  Does this mean LW uses
> >> 22megs JUST for the program?!?!?
> >>
> >Use  the system monitor to check on the size of your disk cache -
> >you`ll more than likely get quite a surprise. The min and max values can
> >be set in the system.ini under the vcache section. W95 was using
> >anywhere between 12 and 23 megs on my machine `til I set the max
> >value to 2megs!
>
> DAMN! So THIS is why win95 is sucking down 22 mb of my ram! I checked
> it with Norton and FirstAid and both confirm it. MagnaRam helps, but not
> enough. If this (system.ini) works, it will make life much better.
>
> Doug Rudd

Chill out guys.

As your system memory fills with stuff, that stuff stays in memory just in case
it's needed again. So if you keep doing more stuff with your system, the memory
available will seem to decrease. But, if you need more memory, the system will
discard anything from memory that it isn't using so it can free up as much memory
as your program needs. If your program needs more memory than it can clear out, it
will then start using the hard drive as virtual memory.

The bottom line is that the memory information in the scene panel is probably
dangerous information that you shouldn't concern yourselves with because it doesn't
really give you the practical information you want.

--
Elliot Bain
Laurell Creative Services
[e-mail]
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From: Elliot Bain <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> >  Elliot Bain wrote:
> >>  > By using the Windows Interface, you could finally add printing services to LW
> >  > and modeler. What a sorely missing feature for documentation purposes. While
> >  > this might not sound too important to an animator, it's vital to project
> >  > managers.
>
>         Hmmm, what exactly did you want to print out?  LWScene files are already
> ASCII.
>
> ******************************************************************************
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How about a human-readable inventory of objects, surface settings, inventory of lights
and settings, motion graphs...

There's no question that you can get what you need from the files, but isn't that what
computers are for, to make getting the information easier?

How about an edit window attatched to the scene file so that you can keep notes?

For the many users, none of this is probably necessary. I kinda like to document the
work I do in a form that I don't have to translate.

I have no doubt that you can come up with all sort of work-arounds, but why bother when
all the information is there already and all the computer has to do is format it for
human consumption?

--
Elliot Bain
Laurell Creative Services
[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Stranahan)
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I would say that in large part it's due to the fact that LW happened to
be in the right place at the right time.  Tools where developed for LW
starting with Babalyon 5, and then later for seaQuest.  These two shows
got LightWave started in this area, and now Space: Above and Beyond
uses it,
------------------------------------------------

There's an incorrect implication here - LW didn't 'happen' to be at the
right place...NewTek put out a big effort to back both B5 and seaQuest.
(Tim and Paul had meeting with the producers to assure them that LW would
be up to the task, put in a TON of equipment, etc)


_____________________________________________
Lee Stranahan
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From: [e-mail] (Derek Lang)
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In article <4i011q$[e-mail]>, Henry Tom <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Anyone know of Canadian schools that offer LightWave instruction?

  I don't know of any schools that teach Lightwave...  however there is
a group that gets together every last thursday of the month if you've
got questions they've got answers.

  The group is called TAZA and the members specialize in a broad range
of platforms from Amiga to SGI, some are professional while others are
hobbists.  If you would like more information please feel free to email me.

  There is a large contingent of users that have been using Lightwave
for a long time (ie.  Videoscape).

Derek<<<<<
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Toronto, Ontario  |--------------------------------------------------------
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From: [e-mail] (Nanook of the South)
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Subject: Re: MPEG plugin?
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:03:19 GMT
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[e-mail] (Sami Laine) wrote:

>I tried to check out files in ftp..newtek.com, but I didn't get through
>(always 40 users in), so I'm requesting here a plugin to create
>mpeg-animations instead of avi-ones...

I bounced the ftp server today... It was confused.

If you fail to get into ftp.newtek.com, you can always try
ftp.sound.net:/pub/NewTek.

L8r G8r
 Keith

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Sacha Padovani <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> Is anyone else sexually aroused?
>>
>Damn!!!
>No mention of PoV available for some private rendering session....
>Please please please Nasa , let me us your hardware to render "Chess.pov"
>...I'll be quick, I promise....

My only question is "Can it run ScreamerNet?" and if so "How many
processord did you say you had????"

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Koren)
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[e-mail] (Dennis Grant) wrote:

> However, one thing that Imagine does do that LW (apparently) does not
> is work with VMM, the PD virtual memory program.

It works pretty well.  I've been using VMM with LW 3.5 and 4.0, with
good success.  Unless you push things too far, it adds only a small
amount to rendering times since the LW working set size tends to be much
smaller than its total memory allocation.

At least, its a lot better than buying 47 zigabytes of RAM.

> Has anybody gotten LW and VMM to work with each other? How'd you do
> it?

I install LW, and installed VMM, and told VMM that LW could use virtual
memory.  QED.

  - steve

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From: Ace Miles <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: how do you reduce poly count.
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James Alex Brooks wrote:

> How do you CHECK the flatness limit?
>
> Alex

You can set the flatness limit in modelers options panel (default is
0.5).  Then in polygon stats you can select all non planar polys.
-Ace
--
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From: Ace Miles <[e-mail]>
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Tim Krego wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2 Mar 1996 11:52:27 GMT, [e-mail] (Simon
> Blackledge) wrote:
> >> 3dsM also has interractive shading (without a card), and its previewing
> >> capability is not limited to black wire frames. I also think you can
> >> color bones and objects different colors in wire frames. This allows you
> >> to turn animation around a bit faster.
> >
> >Lightwave already does all of the above.
> >Get the facts right.
> >Yes i am an avid lw user but that is not my reason for the above.
> >Imagine you are looking at both systems and take a look at the news
> >group for some real-users reviews instead of mags.Get the idea:-{
>
> You pick those points to defend?
>
> Yes, Modeler has the PowerView plugin, but that is an external window
> that shuts down Modeler until you quit Powerview. Not what I would
> call interactive. Max has shaded previews right inside the program.
> There is a big difference.
>
> The previews in LW layout are all black wireframes on my copy. You can
> change colors for the meshes, but the previews are still black.
>
> What about the more serious features missing from LW that you did not
> address that were in the original message?

That's if your talking about the current version of LW.
Knowing the LW programing team nothing would surprise me. :)
It's not exactly fair to compare it to a program that hasn't even
shipped yet.


--
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Beardslee)
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Subject: Lightwave 4.0 Deficiency
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Does anyone else find it annoyong that you can't scale a group of
picked vertices about their LOCAL axis?  Why don't they have a local
and global axis?  I've seen plugins that center the OBJECT on 0,0,0,
scale, then move back, but this doesn't work on a group of selected
points, and NO, I don't want to cut and paste the points to a new
layer, especially when they are part of a huge polygon mesh.


Also, why can't you exclude objects from lights in Layout?

I love Lightwave as a polygon modeler.  It beats Alias, SOFTIMAGE, and
could beat 3D Studio if it had local axis' (not that it doesn't beat
it in other areas, but I need local scaling).


Kevin Beardslee
3D Animator
Interplay Productions

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From: Prem Subrahmanyam <[e-mail]>
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Has anyone seen the latest "Chrome nuts" (oops, I mean balls) ad
in CGW?  Anyone read the copy?  My favorite quote is...

"NewTek makes powerful, easy-to-use tools for everyone--not
just the Hollywood elite (but we like them really a lot)...."

Who the heck did they get to write this?  A foreign exchange
student? (no offense intended toward foreign members of this
newsgroup--but I'm sure you understand how hard it is sometimes
to form English sentences when English is not your native tongue)
...or perhaps whoever wrote the stuff had been surfing
the newsgroups too long that night and remembered tons of poorly
constructed sentences thrown together by the semi-literate
masses with a poor grasp of good English construction....or perhaps
a high school student?.....or maybe young Parscale?

Geez, NewTek, put some class in your ads, and not class minus the
"cl".

Nuff said,
-- Prem (who's tired of seeing his favorite animation program
         almost as poorly marketed now is his favorite computer
         once was - let's hope NewTek doesn't follow CBM to the
         grave).
---------------------------------------------------------
Prem Subrahmanyam
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From: [e-mail] (John Foust)
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In article <4i5j9i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
><<How could 3DS MAX possibly be the "Photoshop of 3D" with a $3000+ price
>tag.>>
>
>Price has much less to do with this equation than extensibility. 3D Studio
>MAX is designed to be a completely open 3D modeling/animating/rendering PC
>environment, running as a native Windows NT app. Autodesk's intention is
>for 3DS MAX to become the 32-bit 3D PC standard, with the secondary market
>for MAX plug-ins becoming lucrative for their developers.

I'm not sure you can say with confidence that making plug-ins is a
lucrative business.  Certainly there were lots of plug-ins for 3DSr4,
but there was a lot of piracy, too.

- John


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From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
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>
---->What is a camera match move and how do you set one up?<----


A camera match move involves recreating a scene that was shot in the
plate, and then positioning the LW camera in the same location as the
real camera.  As the real camera moves over the course of the sequence,
you match the LW camera motion to that of the real camera by moving and
keyframeing it.  It's a very tedious and time consuming process, but is
the only way to match CG with real camera moving footage.

GT

>


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Try using the sphearize plughin. Install it and you'll find it in the
Tool/Custom button.

Al

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In <4i1t23$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Foust) writes:
>
>In article <4i08e8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>>
>>Your and Brent's comments about marketing were dead-on. Although it's
>>incredibly cool of NewTek to have made the Hollywood inroads that
they
>>have, selling a couple dozen LW copies to Ron Thornton and Amblin
Imaging
>>still doesn't equal selling 90,000+ 3DS copies to people who may not
be as
>>famous -- but their money is just as green.
>
>Hoo!  Hah!  Hoo-hoo-hah-hah!  "NewTek *sold* software to those
>Hollywood types!"
>
>Don't you know, the easiest way to increase profitability in
>their business, is to trade crap from the PR office (jackets,
>caps, etc.) for hardware and software?
>
>- John
>
---------------------------------------------------------------

NewTek got much more than jackets and caps from these production
companies.

GT


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From: [e-mail] (Albert Mejias)
Subject: RE: looking for head object
Date: 13 Mar 96 20:22:54 -0800
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Try http://tomahawk.grandi.com/index2.html they have tons of stuff.

Al


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From: [e-mail] (Mok-yi Chow)
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Just jumping in, wondering if anybody knows what the new Sci-Fi TV serie
"Star Commander" use to do their animations?  Personnally I think the
lasers look pretty neat, at least more convincing than Star Trek's.

- Mok-Yi Chow
[e-mail]
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Stranahan wrote:
>
> In my opinion, Lw is used more on TV because it's much easier to use for
> the sort of things that TV VisFX are used for. LW was practically born to
> do Sci-Fi TV shows.

Boy, sounds like you haven't used much 3ds <G>. Keep in mind 3ds is used in
just about every CD ROM Visfx these days. It's also used alot more in
broadcast/film than you're giving credit (johnnie pnemonic, virtuosity,
etc). Although Lightwave is high profile it's not the only option, 3ds can
put out some very cool stuff too.

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From: [e-mail] (Christopher Stewart)
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In a message dated 12 Mar 1996 00:00:02 [e-mail] writes:

P> I tried to check out files in ftp..newtek.com, but I didn't get through
P> (always 40 users in), so I'm requesting here a plugin to create
P> mpeg-animations instead of avi-ones...

P> ... Or mpeg encoder, which reads jpeg-files.

     It's not a good idea to save as jpeg when you're planning to have
final output as MPEG. I've found that good mpeg output means keeping
the best image quality possible until the "final conversion" as MPEG
is lossy enough as it stands. Compress twice and the loss is noticable.
     Take a look at my mpeg page for ideas on how to go from jpeg
to mpeg. I use batch files to do it with free software, not the
easiest way to go but it works well..

    "http://www.islandnet.com/~dretch/mpeg.html"

Christopher

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From: [e-mail] (Kenneth Scott Bethke)
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DPS Par, Like new in box with manual and accessories, including a
Micropolis screaming 1.7gig AV drive to load with animations.

Up for bids, looking to get over $1000 but will take best offer.
This is the Amiga Version.  If you have a PC version that you want to
trade, I will consider it, will also consider trade for PVR + cash.

Will throw in an A2000 w/ 20 meg HD for an extra $275.

All Prices include shipping to the lower 48 states.  Overseas and Out-of
USA people must pay for shipping.

Everything is warranted against DOA plus 30 days.

-Scott

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From: [e-mail] (Adam Ives Chrystie)
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 I do not mind the bad grammar..but the adds are not well directed to a
specific target...and why in heck would anyone use those degrading chrome
balls??? That went out of style years ago...Well, perhaps some users
shoudl get together..form the text and compose the graphics for a
hypothetical advertisement..then we should send it to  NewTek...

I think I could whip up a pretty darned good add if I tried...anyone want
to collaborate??? I'm tired of seeing the tools i use destroyed because
of some psyched out advertising agency that usually doesn't even use the
product that they are creating the add for...

Anyone?? Welp, perhaps i'll send the advertisement to LW Pro as a cover
image :)  ..then perhaps other users would get on z ball..

Adam Chrystie
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Adam Chrystie LightWave 3D Animator
Cinema/Video Major, Senior
University Of California at Santa Cruz

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In article <4i022f$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:

>>   [e-mail] (BigFatCHUK) writes:
>>  I would REALLY like to know the lock axis button please.
>
>    There is none.  Use the numeric requestor.
>
>

     a neet trick to help with this, move the object, undo, then press N.
Now make the axis you want to not move 0..


Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
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> Lightwave is all around a better animation package than 3DS.

Not wishing to sound like the Self-Appointed-Net-Police (but probably doing so
anyway...) but you shouldn't state your opinion as if it were fact on a topic
like this - it results in the worst sort of flamewars, and then the whole
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From: [e-mail] (Gord Davison)
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Elliot (& group),
Sorry to waste bandwidth, but I'm going to re-post Elliot's follow-up to mine:

Gord Davison wrote:
>As always, it comes down to a matter of personal taste. I think the real crux
>of the matter with a modeless interface is how do you logically arrange tools
>and features in a functional and productive way, and avoid cluttering the
>screen. There's only *so much* info you can fit on a single screen [unless
>you're working in 1600x1200 ;-)].

The answer is right at your fingertips. Intellegent use of the right mouse
button, as is already implemented in some programs, solves the problem handily, or
fingerally<g>. By making Context Sensitive Pop-Up Menus, initiated by a right
click, you can be essentially modeless and have the proper tools at your
fingertips when you need them.

>  OTOH, [hedging my bets ;-)], maybe I'm just waiting for the right "modeless"
>  interface to comes along. Then I'll be a believer :-).

>  Gord Davison

Elliot Bain
Laurell Creative Services
[e-mail]
614.459.4404

That's one alternative. However, it's curious that so much time and effort is
expended developing progressive and productive UI paradigms when the user is
still confined to a mouse moving in 2D space and one finger pressing one of two
buttons [3 if you're *really* lucky ;-)]. That hasn't changed appreciably since
Xerox invented the GUI a couple of decades ago. That is, unless you consider a
300% increase in mouse buttons! ;-)

I wonder what [self-proclaimed interface genius ;-)] Kai Krause would say
about all of this?

==========================================================================
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 Phoenix Interactive Design, Inc.  |
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Blanos)
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[e-mail] wrote:
>    There's plenty to fix in the LW interface, but going Windoze style isn't
>    one of them.  I loathe the wimpy lame & stupid Windoze file requester.
>    You can't even resize the fucking thing!

I agree. I'm now running Win95 and I really miss the ability to resize
file requesters. I did find a small utility that might make life a bit
easier if you're running Win95. It's called "Let Me See." It allows
you to enlarge and set options of Win95's common file dialogs. It's on
the web at: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/erask/win95.html

- Chris

[e-mail]
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OK, everybody, I'm sure we all watched "Star Command" (at least as much as
any individual could stomach). So, Lightwave? (I think so...) And,
just who *are* these Germans, anyway?

                                        --DwightG



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ok - LW bug(maybe?) time...
I've got a hierarchical human scene that's built as such:
        Torso
         /-----    Waist-----\
    L.Pelvis    R.Pelvis
    L.Knee        R.Knee
    L.Ankle        R.Ankle
the Y values (as seen in numeric requestors & scene file)
are as follows:
        Torso             1.455
        Waist            -0.250
    L.Pelvis    R.Pelvis    -0.470
    L.Knee        R.Knee        -0.435
    L.Ankle        R.Ankle        -0.445
The World Coordinates (actual pos. in Layout) are as follows:
        Torso             1.455
        Waist             1.205
    L.Pelvis    R.Pelvis     0.985
    L.Knee        R.Knee         0.550
    L.Ankle        R.Ankle         0.105
Well, if you do the math, the problem is - the ankles are
underground!(and as we're extracting this data to put in our
own editor, they are literally.) However, everything seems normal
in Layout, and the discrepancy is only in the data file. What
seems to be happening is that LW is throwing out the Waist offset
when it gets to the calculating the Pelvis:

    1.455 Torso    (- 0.250 Waist is getting ignored)
-    0.470 Pelvis
-----------------------
    0.985        When in the real world it should be 0.735!!

And I don't know why!!!!! As you can imagine, this is highly
annoying, and going in to set 320 pairs of pelves up 0.25 units by
hand editing the scene file is not too productive...

I haven't even done spiders yet! HELP!!

Robert Baldwin
Ultima IX: Ascension
Origin, Systems, Inc.

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In article <[e-mail]>, David Greenstein <[e-mail]>
writes:

>    Where would you recommend going to get the cheapest copy of
>Lightwave 4.0 possible (for the PC)?
>    Also, for all you pro's out there, what video card do you
>recommend?

      I'd go to Merle, he can be found on this list, somewhere.. Usualy
sells lightwave cheaper than anywhere else I've found (we have about 5
copies), and supports it too..



Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
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Hey Peter,
tell me where to find the vfd program.
Would be nice getting an e mail to [e-mail]
Thanks

martin

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|>My guess is that LW got a good foot hold on the TV effects (ie B5 and Seaquest) early
|>on much like 3d Studio has on the game market and neither one has been able to
|>really able to  push each other off their respective hill.  Even thoughj both are
|>making in roads.
|>
|>BTW just because they are on TV doesn't make them good. Just finished watching Star Command
|>on TV talk about really bad effects and an even worse plot to boot.  The lensflare looked
|>like LW but hard to tell anymore by looking at the renderings.  And I thought
|>the Hypernauts had bad effects.
|>
|>Peter W.
|>Spectral Imaging
|>[e-mail]
|>http://www.blarg.net/~peterw/spectral.html
|>
|>
WL|> I feel the effects in Hypernauts are done well. The modeling is good, the
     animation seems real nice! I think people forget the audience this show
     is targeted to. The look I believe is done to meet the requirements of
     the job. The original LW BattleTech footage I have seen was far superior
     to the stuff that was shown on the series. Problem was it was to real, It
     all depends on what is needed . I'll assume the person doing Hypernauts
     Knows what's up. Look at reboot. It has strength in story, charecter
     animation but some of the worst lighting, texturing, and detail of any
     of the other shows.

     -bill

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From: [e-mail] (Jan-Willem Korver)
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Morten
Steen) wrote:

>Is there any easy way to morph a ball into a character, say an 'A'?
>
>The idea is that i want four balls to be morphed into a 'ALCO' logo.
>
>How do I do this?
>
>I know that the objects must have the same number of points but I need to know
>how to make a ball with the same number of points as the character.

I can only think of a quick and dirty way but it might do the trick:

Try molding your balls roughly into the shape of the characters in the logo. Then
when creating the effect morph the balls to their target and while doing so have a
set of the original logo letters in lay-out and fade them in while fading the 'moulded
balls' out. You should get some sort of blend going on that just might do the trick
for you.

It's roughly the same concept of how a 2D photo morph works. It's warping and
dissolving/fading.

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i need some help with generating previews. using the diamond edge on a
pentium 133 under windows 95, the previews only come out as a motion path
with a 'x' traveling through it. changing the setting on display does not
change this except when i change the display driver to svga or vga and work
in 16 colours. only then will the previews show up as they should, but the
resolution is so horrendous that one can barely even read anything on the
screen. diamond egde apparrently does not have a NT driver so, windows 95 is
the only thing that i can use. is there anyone out there that knows how to
get around this problem with previews besides just rendering and saving the
animation in wireframe?



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From: [e-mail] (Andre Perusse)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Cross-platform rendering problems
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 00:44:14 GMT
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I have tried a couple of times to render a scene on two machines - one
is an Amiga with Flyer 4.1 and the other is a PC with LightWave 4.0
rev B.

When I render the same scene on both machines, I have noticed that the
shadows created by a shadow map are very different. Using a shadow
fuzziness of 3 on both machines, the shadows were VERY different.

Also, it appears as though pivot point and scaling data are not
interchangeable, either. When loading a scene file into the PC that
was created with the Amiga, for example, all pivot point and scaling
data is not the same.

Does anyone know why this is and/or how to correct it?

Thanks in advance for any replies.




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From: [e-mail] (Bryan Ewert)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Negative Diffusion Tricks  was:  Realistic Metals?
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 02:20:42 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim May) wrote:

 >I encourage everyone with trying other things out of normal ranges
 >whenever the software seems to permit it and see what happens.  What
 >happens when you morph more than 100%, or below 0%?  Negative Specular
 >values work too, though I don't see a use for that at present... and what
 >about reflection?  Transparency?

 >Jim May

Negative reflection works.  I posted a couple of images to tomahawk that
demonstrated this (dunno if they're still around).  It creates reflections
with negative RGB values -- looks pretty funky.

Thanks for the great post, Jim!

--
Bryan Ewert                              Amiga Users of Calgary
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From: [e-mail] (Bryan Ewert)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: programming plugins
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 02:21:10 GMT
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marc <[e-mail]> wrote:

 >Hi, I'm having trouble creating light wave plug ins.  I have the
 >light wave include files and some sample code.  But I'm not sure
 >how to compile it.  I have Watcom 10.5 and BC 3.1.

 >                            Thanks,
 >                            Cameron Tofer

I can't recall if the following has been discussed:

Can you create LW plug-ins using Visual Basic and/or Delphi?

--
Bryan Ewert                              Amiga Users of Calgary
JUUL:Animation, Ltd.                       [e-mail]


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From: Andrew Weiler <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Lightwave is all around a better animation package than 3DS.
>
> Not wishing to sound like the Self-Appointed-Net-Police (but probably doing so
> anyway...) but you shouldn't state your opinion as if it were fact on a topic
> like this - it results in the worst sort of flamewars, and then the whole
> newsgroup suffers...

Last I looked this was the LightWave newsgoup, and people are entitled
to express an opinion, even in blanket-statment fashion.

--
Andrew Weiler
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          3D Graphic Design and Animation
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Maan M. Hamze wrote:
[snip]
> >Is anyone else sexually aroused?
>
> Are you kidding?  I'll dump Sharon Stone for this babe!    Now I wouldn't go THAT far. :)
--
| Abe L. Getchell          | I'd like to say that I want to program  |
| University of Kentucky   | the next Windows 95... but I don't know |
| Center on Aging, BDMC    | if that's a good thing!                 |

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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Subject: Re: Help Lee Stranahan find a new title for this thread
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In article <4i5qs6$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (JBooth411) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
>Subject: Re: Help Lee Stranahan find a new title for this thread
>Date: 13 Mar 1996 01:44:22 -0500

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>(Walter (Jay) Turberville (III)) writes:

>>
>>If I model a yo-yo and animate "The Brain Twister", will this post be on
>>topic?
>>
>>
>>

>    this I'd like to see..


>Jason Booth
>Second Nature, Inc.
> "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
>RICH!!!!"

Me too.  I made the post tongue-in-cheek.  I figured there wasn't anyone out
there who even knew what a "brain twister" was.  Actually, I have toyed with
the idea of doing yo-yo animations as a form of tutorial.  The main problem is
that interest in yoing is currently low.  The Smothers Brothers need to do
another TV show to bring it back to the forefront.




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From: Brenden Mecleary <[e-mail]>
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Hello all!  I was watching the Descent 2 intro (for the 5th time) and
I began to wonder if Lightwave 3D was used to render the cutscenes in
D2?  Does anyone out there know?  (hint hint Parallax guys)  Judging by
the look of the particle blur and motion blur, and by the motion of the
ship, I think it is.  Could anyone clarify this for me?  Thanks in
advance!

                                                    Brenden Mecleary
                                                    [e-mail]
                                                    "Bman" on KALI

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From: [e-mail] (Alan Ridgeway)
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Subject: Re: AREXX to C programming
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(joseph nelson) wrote:

> Zoltan Hunt ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> : >plugins for LW/Intel, once we don't have AREXX there?
>
> : I always wondered why somebody didn't port AREXX to WinNT, I mean OS/2
> : has it, the Amiga had it since '87 (standard after '90-91).  What is
> : with this?
>
> I don't know about AREXX but there is a package called Object Rexx comming
> out for NT and 95.
>
> Joseph Nelson

Also look in the NT Resource Kit version 3.51
A native version of REXX and PERL is included in the kit

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: User Interface: was Re: MAX or Lightwave?
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In article <[e-mail]> Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> writes:
>From: Ernie Wright <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: User Interface: was Re: MAX or Lightwave?
>Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 11:57:09 -0500

[snip]
>But while we're on the subject, I think the typical Windows interface
>has become an artless clutter of mostly useless gewgaws meant to dazzle
>the rabble (and sell hard drives--anyone ever ponder the absurdity of a
>simple word processor taking up 80 megs of storage?).  I'm probably a
>throwback, but I *never* drag-and-drop or link-and-embed or use any of
>the other gee-whiz features that are supposed to make my life better.
>I drop into a shell to copy files.  It's *easier*

The ability to see file details, create directories and rename files and
directories makes the Win95 file requestor easier/better.  Drag and Drop is
overrated because you have to arrange the "from" and "to" areas prior to
dragging and dropping.  Embedding graphics in documents is useful.  The new
ATL-TAB is very nice.  I still drop to the shell for about half of my file
chores.  The Win95 replacement for FileManager is awful.  It won't allow a
wildcard rename and only has one window.

>It's not that I wouldn't like to see some changes to LW's interface.
>I'd just like them to be evolutionary, and to avoid turning LW into yet
>another junky Windows program.

>- Ernie

My point is that some of the new tools are advancements.  However, keystrokes
can be extremely efficient - if the user is trained on how to use the
keyboard.

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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Subject: Re: How to Re-identify Surfaces on Completed Models?
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In article <[e-mail]> Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> writes:
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>> It came to me afterward that you might change the name of the surface
>> directory and when the saved object is loaded, layout will specify
>> what surface it needs, thus solving the mystery.

>I'm guessing that you're looking for the *filenames* of the surfaces
>for a given object.  That information doesn't exist.  The surface data
>itself is stored inside the object files.

>- Ernie

Absolutely true.  However, the surface data can be written out to disk as a
new surface file and then be used to apply that same surface to a completely
different object. (I know that Ernie fully understands this.  This is not for
his benefit.)



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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville )
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In article <[e-mail]> Elliot Bain <[e-mail]> writes:
[snip]
>How about an edit window attatched to the scene file so that you can keep notes?

>For the many users, none of this is probably necessary. I kinda like to document
>the
>work I do in a form that I don't have to translate.

>I have no doubt that you can come up with all sort of work-arounds, but why
>bother when
>all the information is there already and all the computer has to do is format it
>for
>human consumption?

>--
>Elliot Bain

I agree completely.

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: how can equalize velocity in complete motion path?
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>   [e-mail] (Stranahan) writes:
>  The intution is wrong, because the intuition is based on moving between
>  keyframes in a straight line.  LightWave uses curves (splines), and once
>  you think about it that way your intuition will be better attuned.

    Of course it is wrong:  that was my point.  However, it is still
    unintuitive that adding a keyframe to a straight path will cause the
    motion to choke.  Relativity is anti-intuitive too.  It just means
    my intuition stinks.

    (Department of Redundancy Department:  A keyframe >ON< the straight
    path.)

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Any Lightwave gurus out there that could help me with this one!  I have a client that needs a
tornado... (if I can't find one pre-made) I assume the best way to model one would be to:

1. create a flat plane with many divisions
2. use vortex to give it a swirl
3. use magnet to pull it down in the center

Any better methods than this?

And....

When I get past modeling, what would you suggest to obtain the grey/black swirling wind so
common with tornadoes?  For some reason I'm stumped on this one.  Any help would be
greatly appreciated!

--
Rick Dean
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From: [e-mail] (Steve)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> > Lightwave is all around a better animation package than 3DS.
>>
>> Not wishing to sound like the Self-Appointed-Net-Police (but probably
doing so
>> anyway...) but you shouldn't state your opinion as if it were fact on a
topic
>> like this - it results in the worst sort of flamewars, and then the whole
>> newsgroup suffers...
>
>Last I looked this was the LightWave newsgoup, and people are entitled
>to express an opinion, even in blanket-statment fashion.


maybe you should look at that header again

>--
>Andrew Weiler
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>I wish Debabalizer would be released for Windows.

I agree whole heartedly. DeBab. is one of the few Mac programs with
power I can't find on the PC. An NT version would be great. I could
get use to running 4 scripts different at a time. (sigh) :(

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-----<snip>----

> Nuff said,
> -- Prem (who's tired of seeing his favorite animation program
>          almost as poorly marketed now is his favorite computer
>          once was - let's hope NewTek doesn't follow CBM to the
>          grave).
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Prem Subrahmanyam
> [e-mail]
> Home Page: http://dev.uol.com/~prem/index.html
> Programmer, graphics designer, fossil nut extraordinaire.
> "Have you seen your Graptolites today?"


Come on Prem, it couldn't be as bad as all that. I didn't feel
the ad was so terrible. Advertising isn't a science anyway. You hit
with some and miss with others. It depends on whom the particular
ad was geared toward also. We all still love LightWave whether Newtek
is attatched to it or not. I personally feel sure that LightWave
couldn't possibly die, even if Newtek did.

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NewTek Help Directory: Addresses and Phones

NewTek Inc.
1200 SW Executive Drive
Topeka, KS 66615

Main Switchboard:

NewTek Main Switchboard hours are:

      Monday through Thursday: 9:00 AM to 6:00 PM Central Time
      Friday:                  9:00 AM to 5:45 PM Central Time

Phones:  1-800-843-8943 (USA only);  913-228-8000

FAX (except Sales): 1-800-854-7111 (USA only);  913-228-8001

Sales FAX:  [phone]

Departments served through the Main Switchboard are Marketing, Sales,
Operations, Executive Offices, Finance, Product Management, and Developer
Liaison.

Resumes should be directed to Jacque Russell, Personnel.

Beta Test applications should include demo tape and resume, and should be
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From: Bryant Reif <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Need Tornado Help!
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 01:05:36 -0500
Organization: Michigan State University
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Rick Dean wrote:
>
> Any Lightwave gurus out there that could help me with this one!  I have a client that needs a
> tornado... (if I can't find one pre-made) I assume the best way to model one would be to:
>
> 1. create a flat plane with many divisions
> 2. use vortex to give it a swirl
> 3. use magnet to pull it down in the center
>
> Any better methods than this?

Yeah, just take a highly segmented cone and swirl it.  I made a great
tornado using this simple method.

> And....
>
> When I get past modeling, what would you suggest to obtain the grey/black swirling wind so
> common with tornadoes?  For some reason I'm stumped on this one.  Any help would be
> greatly appreciated!

I forget what I used to surface my tornado (I made it 3 years ago), but
I think I used fractal noise texture with a very large X texture size.
Toss in a moving texture map and some bones and you have a swirlin', rip
roarin' twister... or something like that.

> --
> Rick Dean
> mailto:[e-mail]

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From: Bryant Reif <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Hash 3D... Any good?
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 01:13:52 -0500
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Sorry for the off topic question, but I need some info regarding Martin Hash's 3D
program (the one selling for $199.00)

1.  Is it any good (as a spline based modeler)?
2.  Does it have a shaded modeler?
3.  Is it fast?  Is a P120 16MB adequate?
4.  Is it powerful?  (I don't care about the learning curve, I want cheap power.)
5.  What are my options for output? (SFR, PVR, Codecs)
6.  How many different 3D object/scene formats does it support? (LW, obj, dxf)
7.  Should I buy it?  (LW is too expensive or else there would be no question)

Thanks, and sorry again for the off topic question, but I trust the opinions on this
mailing list, and I can probably guess what the reply would be if I asked these
questions to the people on the AM:3D mailing list.

Bryant

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave?
Date: 14 Mar 1996 06:11:19 GMT
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>   Ace Miles <[e-mail]> writes:
>  That's if your talking about the current version of LW.
>  Knowing the LW programing team nothing would surprise me. :)
>  It's not exactly fair to compare it to a program that hasn't even
>  shipped yet.

    Indeed.  When I found out today that it is not possible to do a
limited region render in 3Ds (CGW, 3/96, pg. 68), and that 3dS had trouble
importing DXF files (ibid) (!!!), well, it makes me wonder what OTHER
lame-osities are hidden within.

    There's a phenomena I call "The Assumption of Competance":  I think
people usually assume that other people know what they are doing.  This of course
is wrong, as Congress shows every day.  In the computer world, this phenomena
manifests itself as a belief that other peoples' software and hardware is at
least as "competant" as your own:  hence my astonishment when I REALLY learned
how lame the PC world is, after my dear departed Amiga.

    It cropped up again:  No limited region render?  Can't import files from
its own corporate mother?  SHEESH!


>   Ace Miles * Senior Animator * Time Warner Interactive
    (How many "MAX is gonna fix that!"  posts will we see?)
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: It's a LIVE!
Date: 14 Mar 1996 06:02:31 GMT
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>  >>> LIVE hardware is comprised of the following:
>  >>>
>  >>> *  Silicon Graphics Power Onyx system with four R8000 processors and two
>  >>>    Reality Engine 2s.
>  >>> *  5 gigabytes of RAM.
>  >>> *  200 gigabytes of fast disk (single-file optimized read rate of 250
>  >>>    megabytes/sec).
>  >>>
>  >>> LIVE is connected to the NAS Cray C-90 (vn) and mass storage systems (scott
>  >>> and chuck, presently 1.8 terrabytes) via a HiPPI connection capable of 60
>  >>> megabytes/sec peak transfer rate.
>
>  What is LIVE used for?


    It's running the physical universe.        >8^)



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From: Bryant Reif <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Best way to pump up Amiga
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 01:09:31 -0500
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My boss at the video production company has an Amiga he wants to
accelerate.  He has already rejected my advice to purchase a PC.  What
is the best, fastest, easiest, and cheapest way to accelerate an Amiga.
 The Warp Engine is not fast enough.

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Newtek Customer Support?
Date: 14 Mar 1996 06:13:07 GMT
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>   [e-mail] (JBooth411) writes:
>  >    ????  How would this differ from the same thing Modeler?
>  >
>  >
>
>      It would differ in a lot of ways. Imagine taking two objects, linking
>  them together, and then being able to move each object (as a seperate
>  object) and have the polygons in-between streatch to meet the other
>  object. It's like bones, but with much more control over influence..

    How is THIS different from selecting the vertices in LWModeler and
    pulling them apart?


>  Jason Booth

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: User Interface--BOOKKEEPING
Date: 14 Mar 1996 06:22:28 GMT
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>   Elliot Bain <[e-mail]> writes:
>  How about a human-readable inventory of objects, surface settings, inventory of lights
>  and settings, motion graphs...
>
>  How about an edit window attatched to the scene file so that you can keep notes?

    Relax, Elliot:  I asked for these over three years ago:  It's obviously a low
    priority for Allen & Stuart.  (Well, this would be Allen.)

    The Lightwave programming team has been concentrating on EXTENSIBILITY.  It
seems most people don't understand that:  the majority of revision has been in the
infrastructure required for plugins.

    The good news, IMHO, is that a third party could write a plugin to perform
these bookkeeping tasks you desire, especially if Allen would include a "garbage"
form inside the LWS format for users to insert text that would be skipped over by the
reader  (maybe at the end of the LWS file--I believe LW skips everything it doesn't
understand).

>
>  For the many users, none of this is probably necessary. I kinda like to document the
>  work I do in a form that I don't have to translate.

    It'll be capitalism at work:  rather than Allen and Stuart spending their
time working on very marginal features, third party persons can develop them and
sell them at what the market can bear.


    GAHD!  Doncha LOVE IT!?

>
>  --
>  Elliot Bain
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From: [e-mail](Michael Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: AVI errors (PLEASE HELP!)
Date: 14 Mar 1996 05:40:24 GMT
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In <4i18db$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Tim Gunn) writes:
>
>[e-mail] (Marek Kiela) wrote:
>
>
>>    Hi.. I'm using LW4.0 under Win95, and like many others, I've had
>>trouble rendering to AVI. I tried re-extracting the avifil32.dll
>>file from the 8th CABFILE, but it still refuses to save to an AVI.
I've
>>picked the following out of my erlog.txt, maybe it can shed some
light on
>>the problem:
>>    Any help greatly appreciated.
>
>The avifil32.dll isn't always the problem, In many cases it seems that
>the HIIP Avi savers just don't like windows 95. Use the NewTek AVI
>saver instead. It is more reliable on win95.
>
>

I am really confused? can someone tell me exactally how to save avi
files with lw 4.0 under 95? I re installed the avi files from the 95 cd
but it didnt help? any ideas? Mike



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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: PVR - Direct File Systems Saves under LightWave?
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 00:12:03 -0600
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Daniel J. McCoy wrote:

<snip>

> I DO know that dealing with the newer GUI is a heck of a lot better than groups
> and program items.  :)
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> --
> Daniel J. McCoy - [e-mail] or [e-mail]
> http//www.pacificnet.net/~djmccoy
> For Sale! DPS PC Personal Animation Recorder w/ 1GB IDE drive.  $1000 obo

Dan,

Don't you feel that the Win95 GUI slows down the response of Lightwave?
I tried the GUI and thought Lightwave felt sluggish and weighted down
much the way Win95 does. Maybe the final release will be better, but I'd
choose the fastest OS possible over the most enjoyable to look at.

typhoto

P.S. Are you running on an Alpha? That's the way to go! Lightning fast!!

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From: Ernie Wright <[e-mail]>
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Prem Subrahmanyam wrote:

> "NewTek makes powerful, easy-to-use tools for everyone--not just the
> Hollywood elite (but we like them really a lot)...."
>
> Who the heck did they get to write this?  A foreign exchange student?

I'm sure this is an intentional affectation of artlessness and not a
language skills deficit.  Think "charmingly youthful."  Of course it
comes off sounding jejune and self-conscious, particularly in the con-
text of the balls motif.  And, clearly, if the reader doesn't get the
subtext, it just sounds semi-literate.

- Ernie


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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.animation,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Reveal's Video Artist?
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robert hood wrote:
>
> Has anybody heard about, played with, or used the Reveal Video Artist
> hardward?  I just ran across it at my local Circuit City, but I only had
> a moment to examine it.  It appears to a video-capture, non-linear
> editor, and MPEG-playback-directly-to-video kinda system.
>
> I'm specifically interested to know if anybody has used it with LightWave
> (or any other 3D animation system) frames, and how good the output quality
> is.  It was retailing for $449 there, and the demo video they were playing
> looked *really* good.  Now, I know that YMMV and invariably does, but if it
> is a viable alternative to a PVR for non-broadcast quality, then I might be
> interested in picking one up.
>


If you can get it set up and working on your computer then you will be
one step further than I got. It has a very limited memory I/O choice
and IRQ setting. It constantly locked up my whole system and caused
damage to my hard drive. It is the cheapest board on the market and
uses M-JPEG, not MPEG compression. I wouldn't pay $449 for it either.
It sells for about $349 on the Internet Shopping Network. There is
also a $50 rebate available, last I heard. Anyway, if you can get it
working then it is a great board for the home hobbiest. Good-luck!

typhoto

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From: [e-mail] (The Digital Nomad)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation
Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
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[e-mail] wrote:
: > Lightwave is all around a better animation package than 3DS.
:
: Not wishing to sound like the Self-Appointed-Net-Police (but probably doing so
: anyway...) but you shouldn't state your opinion as if it were fact on a topic
: like this - it results in the worst sort of flamewars, and then the whole
: newsgroup suffers...

Now, dammit you shouldn't go around doing that.....heh. No, really,
you're right it does cause some hellacious flamewars and takes up
bandwidth that is uncountable... I remember seeing flamewars over the
Amiga VS PC bullshit...only gawd knows why I _ever_ got involved..but I
guess people can't tell the difference between an OS and a machine
sometimes...Oh well just my 666 cents worth...L8a


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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: No superblack from PVR
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 03:12:38 -0500
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Recently, someone posted here with a PVR problem. It seems that on his
Alpha system, the PVR refused to import frames as superblack. I am now
encountering the same trouble.

This evening, one of my two Alpha machines died. Since it happened to be
the one with all my important data, I pulled its system drive and
installed it in the working machine. This also meant I had to re-install
the PVR software, as the broken system never had a PVR in it. Suddenly,
the superblack option no longer works! Yet it always did before. I
located the line in the PVR's .INI file that controls this, and it reads
"Setup=0" when the Superblack option is turned on. But it has no effect.
The odd thing is, frames I imported before the system swap still come up
with zero black. This then would appear to be an import problem, but I
don't know how to fix it. Any ideas?

BTW, I'm using v2.51.

Thanks!
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From: [e-mail] (Patricia Beals)
Subject: RE: Buying Lightwave 4.0
Date: 14 Mar 96 04:05:46 -0800
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you might try safehouse computers on the internet, their
prices seem reasonable. About the video card, it is just like buying
a computer, you buy until it hurts. I have the Matrox with 8 megs,
cost, $760. If I could have afforded it, I would have gotten the ELSA
Gloria, cost,
depending on the ram, +$3000.
Mike

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Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: win95 and avi *again*
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 22:55:45 +0100
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Hi,

I've got the same AVI/win95 saving problems reported throughout the
newsgroup.
Maybe someone can help me clarify some items:

- The (old?)avifil32.dll file is already located in my systems dir.
I've got a win95 upgrade which doens't feature a replacement in the
"8th cab" file. (yes, I did extract it :-) I replaced it with a copy of
a win NT system, but that didn't work.
Maybe someone out there can mail me a copy that works? (really wouldn't
know if this goes against copyright law) or point me to a location on
the web? (I can't find it at Bill's site)

- The manual states that you can save to the flic format. However, after
loading hiip I can only choose between none (always handy) avi16 and
avi32. Where's flic?

All this installing hoola is really getting on my nerves so if anyone
can help..I would be very grateful :-)

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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
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Subject: Re: Modeler Stack Overflow?
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In message <4i3dfk$[e-mail]>
        [e-mail] (Pedlock) writes:

> Whenever I click on the Import or Export button in modeler (Flyer 4.1) I
> get a message saying "Stack Overflow" and the machine crashes...  I have a
> A-4000 tower with an '060 and 82 MB of Ram.  Any suggestions?


Well it`s not low mem:-}
I got this on my trusty 4000 warp 040 32 meg ,just re-installed and it went.
What else have you got running when you are swithching.Have you
ALWAYS had this ?
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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
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Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave?
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In message <[e-mail]>
        Ace Miles <[e-mail]> writes:

> Tim Krego wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 2 Mar 1996 11:52:27 GMT, [e-mail] (Simon
> > Blackledge) wrote:
> > >> 3dsM also has interractive shading (without a card), and its previewing
> > >> capability is not limited to black wire frames. I also think you can
> > >> color bones and objects different colors in wire frames. This allows you
> > >> to turn animation around a bit faster.
> > >
> > >Lightwave already does all of the above.
> > >Get the facts right.
> > >Yes i am an avid lw user but that is not my reason for the above.
> > >Imagine you are looking at both systems and take a look at the news
> > >group for some real-users reviews instead of mags.Get the idea:-{
> >
> > You pick those points to defend?
> >
> > Yes, Modeler has the PowerView plugin, but that is an external window
> > that shuts down Modeler until you quit Powerview. Not what I would
> > call interactive. Max has shaded previews right inside the program.
> > There is a big difference.
> >
> > The previews in LW layout are all black wireframes on my copy. You can
> > change colors for the meshes, but the previews are still black.
> >
> > What about the more serious features missing from LW that you did not
> > address that were in the original message?

> That's if your talking about the current version of LW.
> Knowing the LW programing team nothing would surprise me. :)
> It's not exactly fair to compare it to a program that hasn't even
> shipped yet.


> --
>  Ace Miles * Senior Animator * Time Warner Interactive
>    [e-mail] (work)  or   [e-mail] (home)
>     "Because, I think once you've been a New Kid,
>      You should pay for it the rest of your life."
>                -Teller


Exactly,When max is out then compare it to the current revision of lw
an dnot before.Any way whats wrong with running both?

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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
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Subject: Re: Live video in a LW animation
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In message <4i7b81$[e-mail]>
        [e-mail](William Teegarden) writes:


> >
> ---->What is a camera match move and how do you set one up?<----


> A camera match move involves recreating a scene that was shot in the
> plate, and then positioning the LW camera in the same location as the
> real camera.  As the real camera moves over the course of the sequence,
> you match the LW camera motion to that of the real camera by moving and
> keyframeing it.  It's a very tedious and time consuming process, but is
> the only way to match CG with real camera moving footage.

> GT

> >

Didn`t amblin manage to get motion controle into lw,Lee S told me at
a seminar that his brother managed it with a certain head and a bit
of tweaking?I`m looking into this seriosly so any info would be appreciated.
P.s I got my water looking awsome.Just one thing ,if the displacement
map is fairly big you can see it stretch the bump map.any ideas apart
from lowering it,Could a velocity in the y for the crumple work?
Regards,Simon


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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
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In message <4i4u6f$[e-mail]>
        [e-mail] (BrainIsle) writes:

> Am doing a sequence where a custom font logo appears as if written on the
> screen. Would anyone be so kind as to explain the procedure necessary to
> achieve this effect!?! Many Thanks in advance. PS, I will also need to
> render out the alpha channel for this anim, will the clip map give me a
> messed up alpha channel?
> -Dennis


Well i did this on my amiga 12 months ago.
1, black n white art work
2,use photoshop or somthing similar and paint it out frame by frame
backwards.<yawn>
3Apply as clip map , da da,works but is a slow process.
It should be ok on alpa but can`t remember.
If not make object 100% lum 100% diff and re render on black.This`l
give u a matt.
Let me know if you have any more questions :-}
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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
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Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 Deficiency
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In message <[e-mail]>
        [e-mail] (Kevin Beardslee) writes:


> I love Lightwave as a polygon modeler.  It beats Alias, SOFTIMAGE, and
> could beat 3D Studio if it had local axis'

>cut

Do you mean it beats alias as a polygon medeler or as a general modeler?

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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
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Subject: Re: Prem's "Stranahan-esque" rant
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In message <[e-mail]>
        typhoto <[e-mail]> writes:

> -----<snip>----

> > Nuff said,
> > -- Prem (who's tired of seeing his favorite animation program
> >          almost as poorly marketed now is his favorite computer
> >          once was - let's hope NewTek doesn't follow CBM to the
> >          grave).
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > Prem Subrahmanyam
> > [e-mail]
> > Home Page: http://dev.uol.com/~prem/index.html
> > Programmer, graphics designer, fossil nut extraordinaire.
> > "Have you seen your Graptolites today?"


> Come on Prem, it couldn't be as bad as all that. I didn't feel
> the ad was so terrible. Advertising isn't a science anyway. You hit
> with some and miss with others. It depends on whom the particular
> ad was geared toward also. We all still love LightWave whether Newtek
> is attatched to it or not. I personally feel sure that LightWave
> couldn't possibly die, even if Newtek did.

I still think it looks better than 3ds4 ad :-}
At least the color scemes good and the layouts not bad.Put it on a
wall against other adds and see which one stands out .
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Subject: Tough character animation choice
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All :)

Nice to see you all again, and I hope to come here much often than I used to in the last year (?!!)

I'm facing a tough choice:

I  need to do a character  animation of a Jaguar, sitting on a branch and leaping to attack.

note that we plan to buy  the Jaguar, not model it.

I have two options:

A. Do it in Lightwave with bones

pros: I know lightwave very well, and won't spend much time on preparing the animation, but
rather on doing it.

cons: My experiments with character animation using bones in LW usually end up with messed
polygons and than reverting to cutting the object and animate joints.

B. Do it in Alias V7 on a SGI Indy.

pros: Alias is supposed to be much better in character (bones) animation. It has good IK, spline
modelling etc.

cons: I don't know sh!t about Alias. Or rather, what I know about it is sh!t. I have to learn enough
to be able to do great Jaguar animation (and another small human animation) in the time frame.

The time frame is approx. six weeks.

Any suggestions? Tips for using bones for character animation in LW,  Tips on the same in Alias
(If anyone here is using it)?

Thanx all.

Nir Hermoni,
Zapa Digital Arts ltd.
[e-mail]

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Walter (Jay) Turberville wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> writes:
> >From: Ernie Wright <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Re: User Interface: was Re: MAX or Lightwave?
> >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 11:57:09 -0500
>
> [snip]
> >But while we're on the subject, I think the typical Windows interface
> >has become an artless clutter of mostly useless gewgaws meant to dazzle
> >the rabble (and sell hard drives--anyone ever ponder the absurdity of a
> >simple word processor taking up 80 megs of storage?).  I'm probably a
> >throwback, but I *never* drag-and-drop or link-and-embed or use any of
> >the other gee-whiz features that are supposed to make my life better.
> >I drop into a shell to copy files.  It's *easier*
>
> The ability to see file details, create directories and rename files and
> directories makes the Win95 file requestor easier/better.  Drag and Drop is
> overrated because you have to arrange the "from" and "to" areas prior to
> dragging and dropping.  Embedding graphics in documents is useful.  The new
> ATL-TAB is very nice.  I still drop to the shell for about half of my file
> chores.  The Win95 replacement for FileManager is awful.  It won't allow a
> wildcard rename and only has one window.
>
> >It's not that I wouldn't like to see some changes to LW's interface.
> >I'd just like them to be evolutionary, and to avoid turning LW into yet
> >another junky Windows program.
>
> >- Ernie
>
> My point is that some of the new tools are advancements.  However, keystrokes
> can be extremely efficient - if the user is trained on how to use the
> keyboard.
>
> Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
> Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
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---------
How about when using fonts to make logos, the font type is added as a text file within the .LWO object.  many
times I've tried to match up fonts but couldn't remember the type(and there's a LOT of fonts to choose from).
Also I'd love to see a utility that could do an OCR type of function and take a scanned logo and assign the
closest font/fonts to it.

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From: [e-mail] (The Glory Boys)
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What’s the deal with NewTek and their insistence with being untruthful with
regard to warranty and other repair work?

One of our toasters has now been in sunny Topeka for over six weeks. Three
weeks ago  we were told "We figured out your problem, it should be back to you
at the end of this week or early next week". Great I thought, because the tech
guys said it would be about that much time when I first got the RMA.

Yesterday, now over six weeks into the process, we’re told "Its on the bench,
should be back to you at the end of the week or early next week".

What is the possible benefit to treating your customers like this? If they would
have said "three weeks to go" three weeks ago, I could have made plans
accordingly. As of now I’m looking at least two months total down time.

Bad news is easier to take then lies.

Dazed, confused and over-reacting at GBi


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From: RIch Comber <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: FS:LightWave Workstation
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Oh come on now.. I could buy everything on your list (including your "free"
copy of Lightwave) for less than $8000 new.  I'd suggest your set your
pricepoint to more like $4500-5000.


In article <4hirqv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I am currently in possesion of a PC workstation that is about a month old.  I
>have been using it to run LighWave, and it runs
>great.  However, it now looks like I need to step up to the SGI
>platform.
>
>Here's what is on the system:
>-ViewSonic 17" Professional Series Monitor (.25 dpi 1600x1280)
>-32 MB(Extended Data Out)Ram
>-Intel Pentium 120 Processor (Intel "Endevor" Motherboard)
>-DPS Perception Video Recorder (PVR 2500)
>-2.1 GB Fast SCSI Hard Drive for Perception
>-1.6 GB Maxtor Hard Drive System Disk
>-4x speed Mitsumi CD-ROM (IDE)
>-Microsoft Mouse
>-101 Key Keyboard
>-14.4 Modem (Modem Blaster)
>-16-bit Sound Blaster "Vibra" Sound Card
>-Diamond Stealth 64 with 4 megs VRAM
>-Large Tower Case with 5External 5.25"/2 External 3.25" bays
>-3.5" 1.44 MB Floppy
>-LightWave 3D Version 4.0 (Free! with purchase of system)
>
>Just to clarify the above, I will give you my copy of LightWave,
>in the box, free of charge.  In fact, the registration card is
>still in the box, so you can register it to yourself.
>
>Also, in case you are not familiar with the Perception Video Recorder, it is
a
>top-of-the-line digital video board that allows
>you to record video to a dedicated hard drive, as well as output
>to videotape.  This is especially useful for putting your LightWave
animations
>on tape so you can show people the work that you do.
>You can also do all kinds of video editing with professional results.
>It supports S-Video, Composite, and Component Video for both input and
output.
>However, my board (PVR 2500) only allows for video output.
>But if you want to, you can purchase the daughterboard, which will
>allow you to capture video.
>
>This is an outstanding graphics workstation, and I really hate to see it go.
>I am asking $8000
>If you have any questions, want to make an offer, or want to buy the system
at
>this price, feel free to E-mail me at:
>
>                                                [e-mail]
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Wooly Mittens <4g9a42$[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Best way to pump up Amiga
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Bryant Reif <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> My boss at the video production company has an Amiga he wants to
> accelerate.  He has already rejected my advice to purchase a PC.  What
> is the best, fastest, easiest, and cheapest way to accelerate an Amiga.
>  The Warp Engine is not fast enough.

Falcon 060 or Cyberstorm 060 ? either that or upgrade to toaster+raptor
(exotic) or cybervision video amiga (high tek).

Wooly Mittens.

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 Elliot Bain <[e-mail]> writes:

>
> As your system memory fills with stuff, that stuff stays in memory just in case
> it's needed again. So if you keep doing more stuff with your system, the memory
> available will seem to decrease. But, if you need more memory, the system will
> discard anything from memory that it isn't using so it can free up as much memory
> as your program needs. If your program needs more memory than it can clear out, it
> will then start using the hard drive as virtual memory.

I agree that this is what should happen in theory - in practice something quite different
happens. Rather than release any of the disk cache win95 will make an application
page the drive. At least this is what appears to be going on if you watch the system
monitor.  The Disk cache is initially set by the "typical role of this computer" setting
under perrformance in the system settings panel. It appears to assign a percentage
of your total available ram as a cache based on what you set here.  On my system
with 48mb, it would boot with a disk cache of around 13-14megs and rise to around
22 if I loaded a large file like an AVI. I have yet to see it hand any of this back to
an application that required it. In any case, I doubt that there is any real benefit from
having this much ram tied up by the system.

I have the following settings in my system.ini which seemed like a better level to me
and I now have around 11 megs more ram free after booting.

[vcache]
MinFileCache=1024
MaxFileCache=2048


>
> The bottom line is that the memory information in the scene panel is probably
> dangerous information that you shouldn't concern yourselves with because it doesn't
> really give you the practical information you want.
>

I can heartily recommend setting up the system monitor with appropriate readouts
and watching what goes on while using different applications. It can be a real eye
opener.

Gwynne.

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Sani Huttunen <[e-mail]> wrote:
: Gary Eastham wrote:
: >
: > Why is it that most TV shows are incorporating LW instead of 3DS?  Although
: > 3DS doesn't have the Raytracing rendering, photorealistic scenes can and are
: > still obtainable.  This is accomplished through proper lighting.  So, why
: > is the above the case?

: Well... LW is TV... It was designed to be used with VideoToaster (VT) to create
: relistic environments... It was back on the old days when the Amiga was a
: computer with more advanced technology than any other computer at that time.

: And one of the main goals in the production of LW and VT was to make it easy to
: do very realistic space environment effects...

Very simple. Programs don't make animation and effects, people who use
programs do.

For example, in some new, hard to watch because the writing is so awful
science fiction series with great effects, the Animation Supervisor is
Mark Cochinski (Sorry if I spelled your name wrong, Mark).

Mark has been doing effects with Lightwave for at least a year before 3D
Studio even existed. The point is, he was hired as Animation Supervisor,
and had numerous years of experience with LW, which he was comfortable with.
If he didn't get to choose the software, someone familiar with it did.

There are other contributing reasons. Newtek committed its company to
servicing the B-5 effort, in spite of the fact that B-5 probably wasn't
even paying full price for Newtek's wares. If there was a problem, Newtek
devoted the resourses to solve it for the B-5 guys.

In other words, Newtek didn't look at Babylon 5 as some cash cow, but
cheap international advertising for its product. They invested heavily in
making Ron Thornton, an experienced model/film effects man, look good.
At the time B-5 was struggling to be born, Exec Producer J. Michael
Stryzynski (god more wrongly spelled names) took clips around of the
special effects to science fiction conventions. The relative value of the
Amigas and Lightwave made it possible to produce a competitive looking SF
series. This was long before the pilot came out. 3DS wasn't out yet, and
it would be a couple of years before it was fully competitive with LW.

So, Newtek had a jump on 3DS when it came to dealing with television
producers and schedules, the people who would leave B-5 would be
spreading the LW word in the industry, many of those would form their own
companies or go to work for major companies elsewhere.

It's not that 3DS can't do the work, it just hasn't gotten the word out
to the right people.

For example, I work for a major company. The company can afford anything
it wants to. But if I want to work on my own project at home, perhaps a
proposed series, I'm going to use what I can afford. I can't afford 3DS
Max at this time, but I can afford LW. If I develop an idea with LW
successfully, and it seems to work OK, then when the series actually
happened (yeah, right), LW gets the job.

BTW, I'm not a Lightwave partisan. When Newtek was giving B-5 all that
attention, I owned a little animation company. I couldn't get service
worth a shit at the time from Newtek, though I was well known. I don't
like Newtek, and I hold a grudge like no one else in the business.

Frankly, if you like the effects on B-5 and the other syndie SF programs,
then why should those programs be made with the more expensive 3DS?
In weekly series production, cost does matter.

: --
: Sani

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Subject: Re: Tough character animation choice
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nir wrote:
>
> All :)
>
> Nice to see you all again, and I hope to come here much often than I used to in the last year (?!!)
>
> I'm facing a tough choice:
>
> I  need to do a character  animation of a Jaguar, sitting on a branch and leaping to attack.
>
> note that we plan to buy  the Jaguar, not model it.
>
> I have two options:
>
> A. Do it in Lightwave with bones
>
> pros: I know lightwave very well, and won't spend much time on preparing the animation, but
> rather on doing it.
>
> cons: My experiments with character animation using bones in LW usually end up with messed
> polygons and than reverting to cutting the object and animate joints.
>
> B. Do it in Alias V7 on a SGI Indy.
>
> pros: Alias is supposed to be much better in character (bones) animation. It has good IK, spline
> modelling etc.
>
> cons: I don't know sh!t about Alias. Or rather, what I know about it is sh!t. I have to learn enough
> to be able to do great Jaguar animation (and another small human animation) in the time frame.
>
> The time frame is approx. six weeks.
>
> Any suggestions? Tips for using bones for character animation in LW,  Tips on the same in Alias
> (If anyone here is using it)?
>
> Thanx all.
>
> Nir Hermoni,
> Zapa Digital Arts ltd.
> [e-mail]

------------
If you can, do it in Softimage.  Being that you're buying the model, you don't need Alias to model(one of its
strong points). Softimage should be easier to learn, I'm in my second day of learning Softimage NT by
myself(still waiting for the quickstart manual due in today) and as a Lightwave animator, it seems failrly easy
to use, just have to learn where the buttons are.

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From: [e-mail] (InstntGuts)
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<<Indeed.  When I found out today that it is not possible to do a
limited region render in 3Ds (CGW, 3/96, pg. 68), and that 3dS had trouble
importing DXF files (ibid) (!!!), well, it makes me wonder what OTHER
lame-osities are hidden within.>>

The only "lame-osities" I see are the people in this newsgroup who are
propagating the most laughable lies about 3D Studio and MAX I've yet seen.
(I suppose it's a little embarassing to point out to "Ace" and the rest of
the readers here that there's no such thing as "MAX Beta 5," which Ace
claims to have. This little detail, plus the other obviously nonsensical
claims he's making about the program -- claims which can be easily
disputed through public information -- indicates that Mr. Miles has an
agenda other than telling the truth about the software.)

1. If you want to render a region in 3D Studio R4, you pick (drum roll,
please)...

RENDER/REGION

Then you select the region of your scene you want to render.

2. 3D Studio has no problems whatsoever importing normal .DXF files,
unless the program which saved them out attached spurious data to them
(many Mac 3D programs attach polyline data to .DXF files, which 3DS
sometimes has difficulty with.) For that matter, a lot of other PC 3D
programs have difficulty importing .DXFs from Macs. But .DXFs saved as
proper AutoCAD files? No problem.

Folks, if you're gonna spread lies about 3D Studio... you might make them
"slightly" more plausible than these pathetic attempts. Barring that, you
might actually really *use* the program, or read the manuals.

-- Jon

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From: Adam Chrystie <[e-mail]>
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you can also click on a polygon and hit i on the keyboard and it will tell how flot or
close to being flat a polygon is.


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From: [e-mail] (Alan Ridgeway)
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In article <[e-mail]>, Elliot Bain
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > >   [e-mail] (joseph nelson) writes:
> > >  Zoltan Hunt ([e-mail]) wrote:
> > >
> > >  : >plugins for LW/Intel, once we don't have AREXX there?
> > >
> > >  : I always wondered why somebody didn't port AREXX to WinNT, I mean OS/2
> > >  : has it, the Amiga had it since '87 (standard after '90-91).  What is
> > >  : with this?
> > >
> > >  I don't know about AREXX but there is a package called Object Rexx
comming
> > >  out for NT and 95.
> >
> >         PMFJI, but does this mean anything if REXX ports are not already in
> >         the applications?  (That's the way it was on the Amiga:  once
a critical
> >         mass of AREXX capable s/w was out there, AREXX took off.
Knowing MS's
> >         tortuous policies, how many YEARS before this gets into the OS?)
> >
> > >  Joseph Nelson
> >
> >
******************************************************************************
> > ** [e-mail]                     |  Synergy Graphix &
Animation   **
> > ** Welcome to Seattle!  Have a latte'!     | Technical Subjects a
Specialty!**
> > ** Don't make me force it down your throat.|     "OK!  Wind the
frog!"      **
>
>
> If you get the Windows NT Resouce Kit 3.51 Update, it includes a version
of REXX for
> WinNT. I haven't fooled with it, so I'm not sure how it compares to
AREXX. From a very
> cursory look at the code, the hooks might still be in the .exe files,
but they probably
> are disabled. I just can't tell from what I saw, and it's not worth the
effort to look
> any deeper.
>
> --
> Elliot Bain
> Laurell Creative Services
> [e-mail]
> 614.459.4404



Geeeezz MS delivers on something they didn't have to do (REXX has greater
support on VMS and Amigas then it would ever have in PC's (Only Lightwave
folks will be the major users)) and everyone is still upset.

My personal opinion is If NewTek really wants mass acceptance of Lightwave
for Windwos NT, thery should have hooks for Visual Basic as a scripting
langauge. VB is THE langauge for Windows. (I don't care if you don't like
it, think Rexx is better, refuse to aid MS, hate basic, etc. none on these
answers will change the fact that the VB is it on the Windows platform.)

Just look at Internet plug-ins for Netscape, a good chunk of them aim to
get Netscape to work with OCX (ACTIVE X) which is the heart of NT 5.0 and
a big component of VB.  If NewTek ignores this they may keep Amiga users,
but will not grow at all on the PC side.

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Tim Gunn wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Marek Kiela) wrote:
>
> >       Hi.. I'm using LW4.0 under Win95, and like many others, I've had
> >trouble rendering to AVI. I tried re-extracting the avifil32.dll
> >file from the 8th CABFILE, but it still refuses to save to an AVI. I've
> >picked the following out of my erlog.txt, maybe it can shed some light on
> >the problem:
> >       Any help greatly appreciated.
>
> The avifil32.dll isn't always the problem, In many cases it seems that
> the HIIP Avi savers just don't like windows 95. Use the NewTek AVI
> saver instead. It is more reliable on win95.


The problem is that Lightwave asumes that it has to install the AVI codecs,
Windows 95 allready has these codecs installed and Lightwave replaces them with
older ones, (read faulty).
To get the correct codecs again you have to go to open the "Software" icon in the
"configuration Panel", Choose "Windows Setup" and select "Multimedia" from the
list. Go to "Details" and find "Video Compression". DE-select this and exit all
the screens untill Windows going to restart.
After Windows restarted go back to the above and RE-select the "Video Compression"
and leave. Provide the disks asked for by Windows and you are ready to go.

That's it!
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From: The Hitchhiker <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> i need some help with generating previews. using the diamond edge on a
> pentium 133 under windows 95, the previews only come out as a motion path
> with a 'x' traveling through it. changing the setting on display does not
> change this except when i change the display driver to svga or vga and work
> in 16 colours. only then will the previews show up as they should, but the
> resolution is so horrendous that one can barely even read anything on the
> screen. diamond egde apparrently does not have a NT driver so, windows 95 is
> the only thing that i can use. is there anyone out there that knows how to
> get around this problem with previews besides just rendering and saving the
> animation in wireframe?

I also have a Edge3D and I have the same problem. According to Diamond it is a
problem in the video driver. Driver version 2 will solve this, (don't aske me
when they are releasing it).
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Has any one used Mesh Paint for WinNT?
Any comments?

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From: [e-mail] (Quaesitus)
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I'm looking to move up to a 21" monitor (for professional CAD and 3D work
on a Pentium-133) and would appreciate hearing from folks with experience
using specific models.  Realizing that there is a wide margin for personal
preferences, I am still interested in seeing if there is a trend out there
among experienced users.  Also, if anyone wants to suggest monitors with
which they are unhappy.  So, I would greatly appreciate any and all
responses from serious users telling which monitor you think should be
recommended.  Also, even if you are not presently using a 21" monitor, but
perhaps have also been conducting some research in anticipation of
obtaining one, please relate what you've learned.

And, while we're at it, you might mention which video card you are using,
and whether you would recommend that card as well.

I hope that this will be of benefit to the wider audience as well, so
please post your message as well as copying via email.

Thank you, in advance.  AWD

PS: Please, no salespeople or solicitations.

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From: [e-mail] (Daga1)
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Subject: Academic Pricing?
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Does anyone know if Newtek offers Lightwave at academic pricing?  If so,
do you know what the price level is?

Please copy by email.

Thank you!

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Does anybody know this Programm?
Please send a mail to [e-mail]

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Does anybody know this Programm?
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---->Didn`t amblin manage to get motion controle into lw,Lee S told me
at
>a seminar that his brother managed it with a certain head and a bit
>of tweaking?I`m looking into this seriosly so any info would be
appreciated.
>P.s I got my water looking awsome.Just one thing ,if the displacement
>map is fairly big you can see it stretch the bump map.any ideas apart
>from lowering it,Could a velocity in the y for the crumple work?
>Regards,Simon <---


Yes, we did manage to get motion control data into LightWave.  Grant
Boucher wrote an arexx script that converted the ascii file generated
from a motion control camera into a LW camera motion file.  It worked
rather well, but you still need to make sure that the starting position
of your LW camera is consistant with that of the real one. (ie, same
area in relative 3d space)

There were several shots done for the pilot episode of the second
season of seaQuest that used this technique.  One was the shot of the
seaQuest docked with Bridger and Lucas walking on the beach, another
involved the camera tracking a CG monorail along a raised track towards
a CG UEO headquartes building.

As for the water, you shouldn't be getting any stretching of your bump
map, as it's a procedural surface, but a small velocity in the Y axis
will give a nice animated effect.

GT



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Subject: Re: Tough character animation choice
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---->I have two options:
>
>A. Do it in Lightwave with bones
>
>pros: I know lightwave very well, and won't spend much time on
preparing the animation, but
>rather on doing it.
>
>cons: My experiments with character animation using bones in LW
usually end up with messed
>polygons and than reverting to cutting the object and animate joints.
>
>B. Do it in Alias V7 on a SGI Indy.
>
>pros: Alias is supposed to be much better in character (bones)
animation. It has good IK, spline
>modelling etc.
>
>cons: I don't know sh!t about Alias. Or rather, what I know about it
is sh!t. I have to learn enough
>to be able to do great Jaguar animation (and another small human
animation) in the time frame.
>
>The time frame is approx. six weeks.
>
>Any suggestions? Tips for using bones for character animation in LW,
Tips on the same in Alias
>(If anyone here is using it)?
>
>Thanx all<----



That is a tough choice.  Do ohave the resources to buy Alias?  If you
do, you might want to consider it.  What is the project for, and does
the client care if the creature is jointed?

GT




>
>Nir Hermoni,
>Zapa Digital Arts ltd.
>[e-mail]


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To any and all-

    I am having some problems with LW 4.0 and saving the animations
to a file. Here is what I am doing, please feel free to correct me if I
am wrong:

1.    Load up the demo of the juggler from the DEMO directory

2.    Create a preview and view it. I then save it to my PREVIEW dir.

3.    I go to the RECORD panel and select HII-AVI32. I name the file I
    wish to save as "JUGGLER.AVI".

4.    I then procede to render the movie, but I get errors.
    Specifically, it fails to render, is what it says.

5.    So, I load up the other plugins from the CD and try the NEWTEK-AVI
    plugin.

6.    The default is uncompressed, but I am unable to play this avi

6a.    I try the Ideo Codec, but I get an error message saying the the
    compression is incorrect, at either 0% or 100% or the default.

6b.    The Microsoft scheme under the NEWTEK animation is also incorrect.

PLEASE HELP!!! I have a presentation due on Tuesday the 19th, 1996!!!

At the very least, could someone render the cavefire animation, so that I
can show some people what LW can do... You can then email it or anonymous
ftp it onto the machine:

        flanders.acm.ndsu.nodak.edu

Thankyou

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From: Andrew Hofman <[e-mail]>
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> >I am currently in possesion of a PC workstation that is about a month old.  I
> >have been using it to run LighWave, and it runs
> >great.  However, it now looks like I need to step up to the SGI
> >platform.
> >
> >(snip)
> >                                                [e-mail]

Unless you plan on abandoning LightWave entirely and switching to SoftImage or
something, I would STRONGLY advise you to check out some of the Alpha systems on
the market. Most of them will eat an Indy or even an Indigo2 alive, in terms of
non real-time rendering, for a lot less money. In fact, you could assemble an
immensly powerful mini-farm of Alphas for the price of, say, a single Indigo2
Extreme. As I've said before, there are a few vendors to choose from, but I'm
extremely happy with my two Raptor3's.

Now that I think of it, you might want to get an Alpha or two even if you are
switching to SoftImage. I forgot that it's ported to NT now! You'll be
out-rendering your SGI buddies by a significant margin.

--
Andrew Hofman
LumaQuest Productions
[e-mail]
513-643-7333

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From: [e-mail](William Teegarden)
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In <4i4d4e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stranahan)
writes:
>
>Greg T. writes
>-----------------------------------------------
> Although Photoshop is cheap
>compared to MAX, MAX's price is really not that expensive if it does
>what it claims it's going to do.
>-----------------------------------------------
>
--->$3500 is a lot of money. $1000 is a lot of money. Just because YOU
have
>found a way to make money, doesn't mean everyone does or can. It is
not a
>no-brainer. $3500 is more then I payed for most cars I've owned.<---

Where did you get this $3500 figure?  Last I heard, it was $500 upgrade
from a $2000 product.  Either way, if it does what it's hyped to do,
and cost's less than half the competition, (SoftImage) than it's a good
deal, whether you can afford it or not.


>
--->Add in a decent computer, PVR, hard drive, etc - it's about
$10,000. MAYBE
>you could put together a LW system for around $5000, with a cheap or
used
>computer and one of those Reveal cards or something. Either way,
that's a
>lot of money for people. <---

That would be alot of money for me too.  I could put together a nice LW
system for much less than $5000 though, and that would include a NEW
computer, with a decent graphics card.  So what arte you suggesting,
that MAX and LW slash the price by half?  At what point does to
software become "affordable"?  There will always be somone who can't
afford it and will complain, but if I was selling it as my product, I
would look at the competition, (SoftImage in this case) and make a
decision from there.

>
--->I've made a lot of money with LightWave, but I remember being
really poor
>and having to convince my wife why we needed a Toaster. It was $1595
and
>it was a LOT of money for us. Whenever I hear people say 'LW is
cheap', I
>wonder who paid for their copy.<----

I bought 3ds back in spring of 92 for $2300.  I couldn't afford it, had
to use 2 credit cards to buy it, but hell it paid off.  I wasn't even
working at the time. If I had a $800 alternative package like LW at the
time, that would have been even better.

GT






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Sigh.

I just spent the last hour or so trying in vain to get the Mac here at
work to recognize a Jaz cartridge that's got a bunch of animations I did
at home on my DEC Alpha.  To eliminate the need for anyone to suggest the
obvious, both the Mac and the Alpha work just fine with cartriges
formatted specifically for each individual machine, so that's not the
issue.  The problem is that the mac cannot or will not recognize either an
NTFS formatted cart. or a FAT formatted cart, which in a way makes sense,
but is still pretty stupid considering that I can read PC floppies on the
mac, and considering that one of the main reasons I bought the Jaz was so
I could do this type of thing.

If anyone has any suggestions or knows of some miracle software that will
help me out, I'd LOVE to hear from you.


Rich Helvey
Graphic Designer
Art F/X

P.S.
I already tried doing a direct SCSI-SCSI copy.  heheh.  TOTALLY messed up
the drive I was writing to!  Luckily there was nothing on it...

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From: [e-mail] (Gord Davison)
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[e-mail] () wrote:
>>I've heard that a lot here, but what I haven't heard is why. I like having
>>the power of easily tweaking a model during animation; I also like to be
>>able to quickly test-animate an incomplete model while working on it to
>>ensure that its optimized for the type of animating it is ultimately
>>destined for.   After working in both mode-based and modeless programs,
>>my opinion is that the "necessary" separation of modeling and animation
>>is arbitrary.  In fact, I can think of some programs that let you do
>>certain, powerful modeling tasks using animation methods (Real3D).

>> Sure, tweak to your heart's content in Modeller and then render the changes
>> in Layout. :-)

>The critical words are "easily" tweak and "quickly" test-animate.  Having
>to save and load between programs hinders that.

  No loading and saving would have to be done with a completely object-based
  design. For example, changes in Modeller would be reflected in Layout
  instantly.

  Furthermore, having a "suite" of programs doesn't necessarily mean having to
  laboriously ALT-TAB back and forth between them. For instance, all programs
  [or perhaps "modules" would be more suitable in this context] could be
  accessed from within the same main screen. Hypothetically speaking, Layout,
  Modeller, MeshPaint, etc. could each have a separate box across the top of the
  screen, similar to the positioning and function of the SCENE, OBJECTS, SURFACES
  buttons in Layout. Click a button and Voilà: the toolset changes to reflect
  the module selected. Click another button to access a different module and have
  the newly-changed objects/data instantly updated in the current program/module.

>> A "suite" of programs would keep the respective toolsets relatively small, the
>> functions/tools easily accessible, and as a result, more productive [IMO]. An
>> object-oriented design would allow dynamic updating of info from one program to
>> another. The suite-based approach would have the added benefit [IMO] of making
>> it easier to add functionality to each program and keep the integrity of the
>> existing interface.

>These are good points, but I think a well-designed modeless interface
>addresses them.  For example, with hot-keys and dismissable tool palettes,
>you can free screen real-estate *and* work faster.  Also, if you have
>multiple, customizable tool palettes then you can still have your modeler/
>layout separation if you desire:  put together your own "modeler" and
>"layout" tool palettes and display only the appropriate one when doing
>modeling or animating respectively.  However, you be wouldn't *forced*
>to work that way if you didn't want to.

  Why not just a well-designed *interface*? Period.

>If you make the environment (tool palettes, etc) saveable, then you can
>load and save custom set-ups as desired.  If you can specify environments
>from the command line, then you can create new program icons to invoke the
>program with the respective environment and its only a double-click away.
>I know of at least one program that already does this.

  As an Interface Designer for multimedia, I applaud this kind of thinking.
  In general, I think *any* discussion about how to push the quality and
  productivity of interface design forward is time well spent. What I *don't*
  think, however, it that people should blithely accept the "world according
  to Microsoft UI". Critical evaluation and re-evaulation of interface design
  is an on-going process.

  I subscribe to a few basic tenets for interface design:
  simplicity -    functional to use; important operations easy-to-access
  consistency -   all tools, keyboard equivalents, etc. implemented in same way
  extensibility - interface allows for new tools/functions without sacrificing
                  the integrity of the existing interface
  flexibility -   productivity-enhancing features implemented i.e. keyboard
                  equivalents; provide alternative ways of accomplishing tasks

  As a general guide, it serves me well. :-)

  Ironically, the availability of faster hardware, larger screen resolutions,
  and 24-bit colour allows us to cram more and more bells, whistles, and other
  assorted stuff into today's UIs. The question is: Just because we have the
  throughput and bandwidth to do it, should we? Indeed, many 3D tools/functions
  are added not so much for improved productivity or functionality, but to
  appease marketing types and users alike who read the "laundry lists" in
  magazines that compare features from program to program. Anybody who disputes
  this should try Stata StudioPro [hastily created, poorly implemented *new*
  features] and/or read Stuart Ferguson's eloquent discussion about "Why NURBs?"
  posted here a while back.

  BTW, I was looking at the header for this thread ["Which 3D program?"]. I
  don't think that this discussion _exactly_ reflects that, but it's been
  interesting all the same :-)

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 Phoenix Interactive Design, Inc.  |
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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Bowie)
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InstntGuts ([e-mail]) wrote:

: This brings up a wacky suggestion for NewTek: why don't they rewrite LW
: from the ground-up as a native NT app (and lose that laughable Amiga UI,
: which is a joke to most PC users), and sell two versions: a standalone
: version at $995, and -- no joke -- as a $495 Modeling and Rendering
: Plug-In for 3D Studio MAX.

: If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.




Wacky suggestion, I don't know....but inaccurate, FOR SURE.....

That `laughable Amiga UI' is


        a) one of the things many professionals like about LW

        b) nothing like a standard Amiga UI...for that, check out
            Cinema 4D.


Make suggestions, criticize freely, just be accurate!

And really, it's only fair to let PC user's (some of whom don't know any
more about the Amiga than you seem to) have a little laugh.....

After all, we've been laughing at Windows for nearly a decade.
Call me touchy, if it makes you feel better.
--
    Steve Bowie [e-mail]
    North York, Ontario, Canada
    <<If I'm using this address, you gotta
      KNOW my reg. ISP is down>>

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Bennett II)
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Subject: Re: Does Lee ever say anything intelligent?
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[e-mail] (V Teahan) wrote:

>Just wondering..

>
>
>
>
Oh boy, here it starts again.

[e-mail]

Creative Imagineering
Special Mechanical Effects
Computer Graphics and Animation

Web page in the works!


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Paige)
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[e-mail] (Kevin Beardslee) wrote:

>Does anyone else find it annoyong that you can't scale a group of
>picked vertices about their LOCAL axis?

Can't you do that with the 'center scale' function in the center.p
plugin or arexx macro?

>Kevin Beardslee
>3D Animator
>Interplay Productions

Dave Paige
Alfheim Imaging
[e-mail]

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Is it possible to select multiple objects in Layout?  Most of my work involves large numbers of objects which need to be moved sometimes individually and sometimes as groups-atoms and molecules etc( I do Scientific animation).  Anyway it takes










        me forever to move these objects one at a time.  Hope there is an answer


--
Steven I Schram
System Administrator
SUN SPARC SERVER 1000 SYstem
life.bio.sunysb.edu

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On Mar 13, 1996 20:29:53 in article <Re: Live video in a LW animation>,
'[e-mail](William Teegarden)' wrote:


>
>>
>---->What is a camera match move and how do you set one up?<----
>
>
>A camera match move involves recreating a scene that was shot in the
>plate, and then positioning the LW camera in the same location as the
>real camera.  As the real camera moves over the course of the sequence,
>you match the LW camera motion to that of the real camera by moving and
>keyframeing it.  It's a very tedious and time consuming process, but is
>the only way to match CG with real camera moving footage.



  unless you have motion control which will generate a camera motion
file for lightwave when shoot the footage :^)



>>
>

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On Mar 13, 1996 20:00:15 in article <Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?>,
'[e-mail] (Mok-yi Chow)' wrote:


>Just jumping in, wondering if anybody knows what the new Sci-Fi TV serie
>"Star Commander" use to do their animations?  Personnally I think the
>lasers look pretty neat, at least more convincing than Star Trek's.
>
>- Mok-Yi Chow
>[e-mail]
>[e-mail]


the lasers were the best thing about it

lousy writing; unimaginative dialogue.
yet another army in space!

I thought the surfaces were rather poor and looked
very cartoony.

 It is hard to believe that lightwave rendered those, unless
the texture person doesn't understand lighting.

my 2 cents

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On Mar 14, 1996 01:09:31 in article <Best way to pump up Amiga>, 'Bryant
Reif <[e-mail]>' wrote:


>My boss at the video production company has an Amiga he wants to
>accelerate.  He has already rejected my advice to purchase a PC.  What
>is the best, fastest, easiest, and cheapest way to accelerate an Amiga.
>The Warp Engine is not fast enough.


 what about the warp 060'?
 or the the mips risc boards
I think they would hold up to 4 or 8 mips risc 4400's

other than that you will have to wait for
the power pc card from Amiga technologies

good luck

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I'm a college student with Lightwave Intel. I'm looking for some type of way
to output my animations to video without spending $2000 on a PVR. The quality
doesn't have to be top notch because I'm really just learning Lightwave. I just
need better quality than avi's and/or a way to output to video. How are the
MPEG boards? What about TV boards?

Thanks in advance,
Mark
[e-mail]
http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~mcohen

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|>InstntGuts ([e-mail]) wrote:
|>
|>: This brings up a wacky suggestion for NewTek: why don't they rewrite LW
|>: from the ground-up as a native NT app (and lose that laughable Amiga UI,
|>: which is a joke to most PC users), and sell two versions: a standalone
|>: version at $995, and -- no joke -- as a $495 Modeling and Rendering
|>: Plug-In for 3D Studio MAX.
|>
|>: If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>Wacky suggestion, I don't know....but inaccurate, FOR SURE.....
|>
|>That `laughable Amiga UI' is
|>
|>
|>        a) one of the things many professionals like about LW
|>
|>        b) nothing like a standard Amiga UI...for that, check out
|>            Cinema 4D.
|>
|>
|>Make suggestions, criticize freely, just be accurate!
|
 WL> Amen. I love it when PC users rant and most probably haven't had the
     pleasure to use an Amiga. Well LW is as stated not a Standard Amiga
     interface by any stretch of the Imagination. Of course nobody really
     knows what a standard GUI for NT looks like yet. (correct me on this).
     What is the standard GUI for NT called ? You have a product that is
     apparently one of the most intutitive to use in the 3D animation
     market and is user compatatable across several platforms and the
     developer should change it just for the hell of it. Like I really
     see all the other programs following some kind of a standard. Give
     me a break. Just what is so confusing about LW ?

     -bill

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From: [e-mail] (emmanuel olympia)
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Subject: where can i get macros?
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i am new to lw, and i am always hearing about this macro and that macro.
is there a site on the net where I can get these macros? thx

emmanuel

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|>FlyingShan wrote:
|>
|>> The fact is, Real3d is a new player. It's been around and slowly
|>> developing for a while, but anything older than version 3 (including the
|>> demo you messed with, which is awful and has been removed from most sites)
|>> really isn't worth the time IMHO. So you're trying to compare software
|>> which is just now realizing it's potential to industry standards, and
|>> wondering why Real hasn't overnight replaced all the tools used in the
|>> indistry for years. It doesn't work that way. :)
|>
|>Is it all that new? or is this just on the PC?
|>ABout 5 years ago when I first started shopping for a 3d program for use with my Amiga
|>I had my options narrowed to Imagine and A program I am pretty sure was called Real
|>3D. I am not sur if this is the same program that has been since ported to the PC or
|>if that old Real 3d no longer exists and this new one is something completely
|>different.
|>
|>I ended up going with Imagine BTW because its animation controls were reviewed at the
|>time as being more powerful.
|>
|>Anyone have any thoughts on this.
|>
 WL> Same animal It was ported over like LW, and TrueSpace ! I also opted
     for Imagine, and at that time Alladin 4D.

    -bill


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|>>>>
|> ... I invested the money in Ron Thorton's tapes on modeling,
|>surfacing Spacecraft. I do like the cut that In.Focus had with
|>packaging the CD rom with the tape though.
|>
|>   -bill
|><<<
|>
|>Please tell me more about this tape CD-ROM offer.
|>
|>Al Mejias
|>
|>
   Al,
   Mark Thompson has a tutorial tape out geared toward the advanced user.
   That is not to say it won't benefit all LW users though. It comes
   bundles with a CD that has the files necessary to do the tutorials
   and the scene for his now famous "A stormy Night with Fred Floaty".
   In this tape he shows how he made his rain, flickering neon sign,
   and several other real neat stuff from that animation. He also covers
   compositing(balls on a pool table) . Sorry I can't give the ordering info
   it is at home. The tape is In.Focus and it has been advertized in LWPro
   so somebody here may hopefully be kind enough to fill in the blanks.

   -bill

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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
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In article <[e-mail]>, Robert Baldwin
<[e-mail]> writes:

>the Y values (as seen in numeric requestors & scene file)
>are as follows:
>        Torso             1.455
>        Waist            -0.250
>    L.Pelvis    R.Pelvis    -0.470
>    L.Knee        R.Knee        -0.435
>    L.Ankle        R.Ankle    -0.445
>The World Coordinates (actual pos. in Layout) are as follows:
>        Torso             1.455
>        Waist             1.205
>    L.Pelvis    R.Pelvis     0.985
>    L.Knee        R.Knee         0.550
>    L.Ankle        R.Ankle         0.105


      I think you may be forgeting about the local coirdinate system. Are
you acounting for any offsets caused by parented null objects? We have our
own conversion system, which does similair things to what your doing, and
it works fine so I doubt the bug is in Layout. Have your programers check
thier code..



Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
RICH!!!!"



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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
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In article <4i8ddj$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:

>>      It would differ in a lot of ways. Imagine taking two objects,
linking
>>  them together, and then being able to move each object (as a seperate
>>  object) and have the polygons in-between streatch to meet the other
>>  object. It's like bones, but with much more control over influence..
>
>    How is THIS different from selecting the vertices in LWModeler and
>    pulling them apart?
>
>

     It's not, except then you have to create hundreds of morph targets,
and since morph targets only hapen on linear paths, a lot of effects would
be much harder to produce. Imagine a human leg - with a upper and lower
leg section, each a seperate object. You could easily, with this type of
functionality, create the knee that would flex as you rotated the lower
leg. This can be done with bones, but there are some situations where
bones are not an option. The main problem with this in lightwave now is
the lack of polygon creation in layout, and the lack of UV texture
mapping. The texture maps would slide without UV mapping..


Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
RICH!!!!"



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From: [e-mail] (JBooth411)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Walter (Jay) Turberville ) writes:

>Me too.  I made the post tongue-in-cheek.  I figured there wasn't anyone
out
>there who even knew what a "brain twister" was.  Actually, I have toyed
with
>the idea of doing yo-yo animations as a form of tutorial.  The main
problem
>is
>that interest in yoing is currently low.  The Smothers Brothers need to
do
>another TV show to bring it back to the forefront.
>
>

     I truely believe that the Yo-Yo will rise to it's once great glory
again someday, prepare your animations for that day!!!!



Jason Booth
Second Nature, Inc.
 "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
RICH!!!!"



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|>-----<snip>----
|>
|>> Nuff said,
|>> -- Prem (who's tired of seeing his favorite animation program
|>>          almost as poorly marketed now is his favorite computer
|>>          once was - let's hope NewTek doesn't follow CBM to the
|>>          grave).
|>> ---------------------------------------------------------
|>> Prem Subrahmanyam
|>> [e-mail]
|>> Home Page: http://dev.uol.com/~prem/index.html
|>> Programmer, graphics designer, fossil nut extraordinaire.
|>> "Have you seen your Graptolites today?"
|>
|>
|>Come on Prem, it couldn't be as bad as all that. I didn't feel
|>the ad was so terrible. Advertising isn't a science anyway. You hit
|>with some and miss with others. It depends on whom the particular
|>ad was geared toward also. We all still love LightWave whether Newtek
|>is attatched to it or not. I personally feel sure that LightWave
|>couldn't possibly die, even if Newtek did.
|>
 WL> I was speaking with the NewTek rep at our LW user group on tuesday.
     He assurred me that a marketing plan was in the works. He seemed
     sincere, so wait and see. His task at hand was to demo the flyer
    and it was an impressive demo for sure. I can say that the Flyer
    was handeling Audio and video together very well. This setup would
    make anybody proud. Well done NewTek !
   -bill
   BTW his trip to New Hampshire would have paid for a few ads, but I was
   glad I got to see the demo.

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In article <4i9nu0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Softmaker) writes:
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|>From: [e-mail] (Softmaker)
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|>Subject: REAL 3D
|>Date: 14 Mar 1996 13:18:40 -0500
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|>Does anybody know this Programm?
|>Please send a mail to [e-mail]
|>
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|>From: [e-mail] (Softmaker)
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|>Subject: REAL 3D
|>Date: 14 Mar 1996 13:18:40 -0500
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|>Does anybody know this Programm?
|>Please send a mail to [e-mail]
|>

   Gee,
   I wish these folks would get their own list. Let resume LW discussions
   again.

  -bill

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Dunakin)
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Subject: Re: Morph a ball into a character
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On Wed 13-Mar-1996  8:30a, jeric wrote:
j> >  Morten Steen wrote:
j> >
j> >  > The idea is that i want four balls to be morphed into a 'ALCO' logo.
j> >  >
j> >  > I know that the objects must have the same number of points but I
j> >  > need to know how to make a ball with the same number of points as the

j> >  > character.
j> >
j> >  A good start would be to use the Spherize macro. <BZZT!>

j>         I disagree:  a 2d morph would be FAR easier.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ok, I have been wonderring how to do this also. Since EVERYONE says it can't
be done, I thought I'd give it a try. I did a test sample to see if it would
work, and it did........perfectly. What I did, was to make both of my objects
into two different layers. Both objects had totally different point counts.
So what I did was to find the point count of the object with the MOST points
by using the w key. Then I took the other object,"with the smaller point
count", and found parts of the object that didn't look like it would matter if
I changed the polygon count, and did some SELLECTED polygon subdevides on the
object. I kept checking back to see the point count until I got it close. Then
I just did a few small add or delete point until both objects were the same.
I'm not sure, but you might want to also do some sort of point order selection
when creating any new ones before you save the objects.

I did my morph test in Layout and things worked fine :)

I needed to know this too because I am planning on making an animation that
would be made up of nothing but morphed objects. So that was why I did this
test, besides the simple challenge...........
.....................................................md :)

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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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In article <4ia0t9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve Schram) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Steve Schram)
>Subject: multi-select
>Date: 14 Mar 1996 20:51:53 GMT

>Is it possible to select multiple objects in Layout?  Most of my work involves large numbers of objects which need to be moved sometimes individually and sometimes as groups-atoms and molecules etc( I do Scientific animation).  Anyway it takes










>        me forever to move these objects one at a time.  Hope there is an answer


>--
>Steven I Schram

Parent associated items to a common NullObject.  You can rename the NullObject
appropriately.  Now, when you move the Null Object (or scale it or
stretch it or rotate it etc.) all the "children" objects will be
affected.  When you move a child object individually, it will move relative to
the NullObject.  You can also parent NullObjects to other NullObjects.  I
don't know if there is a limit to the number of "levels" of hierarchies
created this way.


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From: [e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville (III))
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In article <4i9r8s$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gord Davison) writes:
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>  Furthermore, having a "suite" of programs doesn't necessarily mean having to
>  laboriously ALT-TAB back and forth between them. For instance, all programs
>  [or perhaps "modules" would be more suitable in this context] could be
>  accessed from within the same main screen. Hypothetically speaking, Layout,
>  Modeller, MeshPaint, etc. could each have a separate box across the top of the
>  screen, similar to the positioning and function of the SCENE, OBJECTS, SURFACES
>  buttons in Layout. Click a button and Voilà: the toolset changes to reflect
>  the module selected. Click another button to access a different module and have
>  the newly-changed objects/data instantly updated in the current program/module.


>==========================================================================
> Gord Davison                      | 2D/3D Animator ¤ Multimedia Designer

Laboriously????   Hey - I'm not expert on interface design.  About all I have
to say about it is that good interfaces provide alternatives.  To me, that
means keystrokes and GUI means to access most features.  That said, I think it
is fairly absurd to call ALT-TAB a "laborious" activity.  It is darn simple
and quick and is much faster than most mouse actions.  Perhaps it is not an
elegant way to integrate applications, but laborious?

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Subject: Re: Best PC system for LW/graphics <$3500?
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[e-mail] (Walter (Jay) Turberville ) wrote:
>In article <4hil0f$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Ferrel) writes:
>>From: [e-mail] (John Ferrel)
>>Subject: Best PC system for LW/graphics <$3500?
>>Date: 6 Mar 1996 00:07:43 GMT
>
>>I have been researching Pentium systems before I purchase one and I would
>>like to hear some opinions on what people think is the best system for
>>less than $3500.  Please relate experiences and not heresay.  I would
>>appreciate direct email responses.

Hello

I might be able to help.  We carry a complete line of Digital Alpha systems starting at
$1800.00. In addition is our new line of Pentium Pro systems start at $3300.00.

Please take the time and check out our web page it just might save you money on your
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Steph Greenberg wrote:
>

> BTW, I'm not a Lightwave partisan. When Newtek was giving B-5 all that
> attention, I owned a little animation company. I couldn't get service
> worth a shit at the time from Newtek, though I was well known. I don't
> like Newtek, and I hold a grudge like no one else in the business.
>
> Frankly, if you like the effects on B-5 and the other syndie SF programs,
> then why should those programs be made with the more expensive 3DS?
> In weekly series production, cost does matter.
>
> : --
> : Sani
>
> --I'm not a LW partisan either, but I do know that LW renderer beats 3ds
any day, 3DS has a "look" to it that's very recognizable, and I don't
think the realism that Space has achieved could've been done in 3DS. 3DS
does have it's advantages, it's renderer is not one of them.


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In article <[e-mail]> Julianne Shotwell,
[e-mail] writes:
>:

I seem to be having a problem that no one else is having?
I create an animation and then try to save the rendered frames to
files such as *.rgb, *.jpg, etc... and for some reason it is not
working (meaning it acts like it is working but when it is done rendering
there are no files anywhere!!! -- especially where I specified them to be
saved) -- does this sound like I am forgeting to do some easy step
somewhere?  If so or if anyone else has had this problem please let me
now.  Tech support at Xaos Tools is stumped and so am I...

    thanks
--
Julianne Shotwell


Hi Julianne. I'd be willing to bet that the permissions on the hard drive
you are saving to are set so that you do not have permission to write to
it. Change the permissions and all will be well--I believe the command
(off hand) is chmod 777 drivepathname for read/write and everything else.
Better check the man pages for chmod before you do it just to make sure.

Good luck!

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I Am working with a Diamond Edge 3D video card (model 3240) and can't get it
to work with the wire frame preview, All of the easy answers don't work and I
can't find a hard one that will do the job well enough to make it worth the
trouble of having to do it four or five times a day, I have come to the point
that getting a new video card is becoming closer to the only reasonable
option, and I need advice from people using lightwave on a Windows 95 or
Windows NT platform on the cards that they are  using and have found to work
the best. I realize this is in part a hardware question and apoloize to those
that would mistake it as an attempt to bring hardware into a software fourm,
this is not my motive, and would ask all those that can help E-MAIL me
directly to avoid causing clutter in this newsgroup.

[e-mail]






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From: [e-mail] (The Glory Boys)
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Subject: Re:  Help Find Lee Stranahan a Job!
Date: 15 Mar 1996 05:37:03 GMT
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>Watch this - if NewTek starts doing the right thing with LightWave - I WILL SAY
>SO.

Lee,

Good enough..

FYI - like you don't know this already - when you make statements like the one
above, you infer that you are qualified to definitively judge what is and what is not
the "right thing" with Lightwave, and that by your stamp of approval others will be
enlightened. Statements like these are what polarize people in this group so
much.  You seem to have a history of  making strong statements, then changing
you mind (often-times  justifiably) but then attacking anybody who doesn’t fall in
line, or who still feels the way you once did. This IS a good way to attract
followers, but also enemies. IMO this is not such a good way to gain respect.

BTW: Young  Brad P. should be commended for attempting to defend his father
out-gunned and out-numbered out here in very hostile territory. As should those
who posted the CFO augment and resisted the urge to get petty.

Having different opinions makes us diverse, and that is how we (sometimes
painfully) learn. Macho posturing and dumb one-upmanship aside, the opinions in
this forum should be good for all.

BTWII: GBi = a two man team making videos for manufacturing training and some
PR/marketing. We are the only two in our division with this kind of job
description. 99% of all mail (e and otherwise) is addressed to both of us, or sent
by both of us. We have one PC and logging on and off  to make sure our
individual IDs are correct on our server is a pain in the butt, hence collective mail
has become the norm. As for the evolution of a nickname, see the Nazi thread.

GBi



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In article <[e-mail]>, typhoto <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Don't you feel that the Win95 GUI slows down the response of Lightwave?
>I tried the GUI and thought Lightwave felt sluggish and weighted down
>much the way Win95 does. Maybe the final release will be better, but I'd
>choose the fastest OS possible over the most enjoyable to look at.

Coming from an Amiga, I'd much rather deal with the new GUI than the
icky Win 3.11 style UI.  I'm MUCH more productive with the new
interface than I was with NT 3.5 and 3.51 without the NewsHell.  Seriously
though, I haven't really noticed any slow downs with my system and the speed
depends more on how many bitplanes my UI is in more than anything else and
even that is dependant on the video card and it's drivers.  I've had much
success with my ATI Mach64 under NT.  In addition, NT 4.0 has made some
changes in the graphics structure (moved it closer to the kernel) for speed
increases.  What's more, OpenGL has been speed up and added to in 4.0 beta 1
and is said to be even faster in future betas.  This will benefit future
releases of LightWave.  :)  If you played with the NewShell under NT 3.51, I'd
venture to say that NT 4.0 will be better.

>P.S. Are you running on an Alpha? That's the way to go! Lightning fast!!

Nah!  But if I had the extra $money$, an Alpha would have been nice.  But a
P133 is serving me just fine and got me a better paying programming job.  :)
Plus, I can play killer games (the other time consumer) like Descent II!  :)

--
Daniel J. McCoy - [e-mail] or [e-mail]
WWW - http://www.pacificnet.net/~djmccoy
For Sale : DPS PAR w/ 1GB Micropolis drive - $1000.00

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Fisher)
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I have a large number of Lightwave3.0 files and need to convert them to
DXFs to use on a Macintosh. Does anyone know of a cheap (read free)
program that will convert between the formats?

Thanks and please copy replies to me via e-mail

Tom Fisher

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-Lightwave may do the job with a lot of work, but the type of animation you
want to do might be easier in another

package. Lightwave is getting there, but still needs alittle work in this
department. The future however is wide

open.



I've used both packages for animation, and would reccomend that maybe you
look at Softimage. It does this type

of animation very well, and it runs on Dec Alphas under NT. The bonus is
that your Carrera Alpha will be able

to run both packages, and run faster than on a SGI at a substantial
savings.


If you do look at Alias, remember to build the Jaguar as a NURBS model
rather than import a polygnol model. The

Alias Ik will work muck better with a NURBS model.

Eric Barba

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From: [e-mail] (Tony Lisanti)
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 Im looking for an affordable video camera. It has to be mounted onto a copy
stand for closeup snapshots of some background pictures. The one I have now
really bites the big one. Im looking in the 400-600$ range

Tony



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[e-mail] (Alan Ridgeway) wrote:
>Has any one used Mesh Paint for WinNT?
>Any comments?

Functional. But it's no Amazon Paint :-)


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From: [e-mail] (The Digital Nomad)
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Simon Blackledge ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Pedlock) writes:
: > Whenever I click on the Import or Export button in modeler (Flyer 4.1) I
: > get a message saying "Stack Overflow" and the machine crashes...  I have a
: > A-4000 tower with an '060 and 82 MB of Ram.  Any suggestions?
:
: Well it`s not low mem:-}
: I got this on my trusty 4000 warp 040 32 meg ,just re-installed and it went.
: What else have you got running when you are swithching.Have you
: ALWAYS had this ?

Try selecting the icon you launch the main program from(if it's stand
alone make it either Modeller or LW, if Flyer or Toaster...their icons)
don't double click them...just select them and hit Right-Amiga-I(for
"Information") and change the stack setting to 200+k... That should do
it... We had the same problem at the local cable company...but
figuring....hey, stack overflow...duh...where can I adjust the stack...:)
OH well..if it helps lemme know...L8a


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From: [e-mail] (Gord Davison)
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Subject: Re: Prem's "Stranahan-esque" rant
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Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Prem Subrahmanyam wrote:
>
>> "NewTek makes powerful, easy-to-use tools for everyone--not just the
>> Hollywood elite (but we like them really a lot)...."
>>
>> Who the heck did they get to write this?  A foreign exchange student?
>
>I'm sure this is an intentional affectation of artlessness and not a
>language skills deficit.  Think "charmingly youthful."  Of course it
>comes off sounding jejune and self-conscious, particularly in the con-
>text of the balls motif.  And, clearly, if the reader doesn't get the
>subtext, it just sounds semi-literate.
>
>- Ernie
>
I don't doubt that the copy was "wilfully semi-literate" :-). However,
judging by the number of people who didn't *get* the obtuse subtext, I'd
say the ad was a failure. >|Lightning bolt|< Here's a thought: how about
a LW campaign that *features* some honest-to-goodness information about
LW's, uh, features. Considering LW's modest visibility in the 3D marketplace
as compared to some other conspicuously less-capable programs [and a few
equally capable ones ;-)], it seems that some pertinent info about LW's
most compelling features might be in order.

BTW, who is this ad *supposed* to appeal to? Not me, apparently.

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Durham)
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Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
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[e-mail] (Phillip Finch) wrote:

let's just see what we shall see, eh?

>Granted, it's not *really* real until it's in my hands and installed
>on my hard drive. But enough people have seen demos, and used and
>talked about the beta, that I think it's safe to say that whenever Max
>gets into general distribution, it will, at the very least, have a
>real-time rendered display with integrated modelling and animation.

>That alone will just about guarantee faster work, compared to using
>the LW wireframe/bounding box display and separate modules for
>modelling and animation.

>How much of an improvement depends on your level of expertise.

I assume your running with some type of 3D Accelerator board,
otherwise otherwise your real-time will be real slow.

>The question is not whether an interactive rendered display will make
>work faster, and easier. The real decision is whether to go for it in
>Max now or wait for LW 5.0. (Yeah, I'm pretty sure that 5.0 will have
>OpenGL support for the display. PowerView didn't come out of nowhere.
>Besides, where else are they going to make big changes? Aside from the
>display, they've just about run out of really significant features to
>add).

If you take a look at what people are doing and have been doing in 3D
graphics and animation over the years with many different packages, I
think you'll find that only a small part relies on the actual package
and more so on the skills and experience of the artist/designer.

Everybody likes to talk about the awesome features that one package
has over another, but what really counts is the ability for someone to
use a package effectively.  I've been hoping around from package to
package the past year or so and what I have found is my jump to find
new features has let me overlook features that I already had.

I have also found what packages I like and which one works the best
for different scenes, etc.  I have settled on Lightwave as my main
package mainly because it is the package that I have been able to
successfully create what I image in my mind.  I also found that
lightwave was easy enough to use that I didn't get bogged down long in
figuring out the interface, although I continually learn new things.

I can hardly see anyone going wrong picking either package.  I had
used 3DS and mainly due to the DOS interface I left that for
Lightwave.  The new featured packed 3DS Max is on its way out soon and
I had the chance to mess with the beta.  But Lightwave will release
its new version with features people will be tauting 3DS Max users
about, and it will continue on and on.  I also use Animation Master
which is usually on a different level than most, sorta off on its
side, but It's got a very fast and powerful spline modeler that no
package in it's price range can match.  A focus on Character animation
and organic modeling, it's a nice tool to add to the graphic toolbox.
Actually I constantly read about the match between AM and 3DS,
designers modeling in AM and Rendering, etc in 3DS.

Anyway I am babbling on.  But if you've missed the point, which I
probably had overstated and then rambled on was that a package that
you can use well is better than a package loaded with features that
you never use or find the time to figure out.

Later

Chuck Durham
Imaginative Entertainment
[e-mail]
http://www.imaginative.com
http://www.xspot.com





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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Durham)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Prem's "Stranahan-esque" rant
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 05:59:36 GMT
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typhoto <[e-mail]> wrote:

>-----<snip>----

>> Nuff said,
>> -- Prem (who's tired of seeing his favorite animation program
>>          almost as poorly marketed now is his favorite computer
>>          once was - let's hope NewTek doesn't follow CBM to the
>>          grave).
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> Prem Subrahmanyam
>> [e-mail]
>> Home Page: http://dev.uol.com/~prem/index.html
>> Programmer, graphics designer, fossil nut extraordinaire.
>> "Have you seen your Graptolites today?"


>Come on Prem, it couldn't be as bad as all that. I didn't feel
>the ad was so terrible. Advertising isn't a science anyway. You hit
>with some and miss with others. It depends on whom the particular
>ad was geared toward also. We all still love LightWave whether Newtek
>is attatched to it or not. I personally feel sure that LightWave
>couldn't possibly die, even if Newtek did.


I agree NewTek has been around for quite some time and even with all
the Marketing bashing they have been getting, not many are complaining
about the awesome product they have developed, which is what I care
about.

I'm actually fond of the BALLS ad,  It's a bit of a break from the
typical plain conservative politcal correctness that we typically are
bombarded with.  It shows a bit of humor on thier part, which If
you've worked with groups of people, the ones with the sense of humour
a typically usually the most productive.

So you've got a gripe, but I didn't see you offer a solution,
alternative or advice.  What would you have done???.  Its
ever so easy to be a critic.

Prem, please accept my apologies if you take offense to this post,  I
am not directing this to you but to everyone.  I keep hearing people
gripe, but I've never heard a better method.  I plan on not bitching
about NewTek's balls until I can tell they what they can do with them.

It's one of those days

Chuck D
Imaginative Entertainment
[e-mail]
http://www.imaginative.com
http://www.xspot.com



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From: Karl Richter <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Amiga system for trade
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:30:46 -0800
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I would like to trade the following for a PC par....

-A2000 w/ 040@33mhz 16 MBram
-toaster 1.0
-2 DPS personal TBC
-PAR for amiga (no drive)
-Magnavox monitor

E-mail [e-mail] for more info....

Thanks,
       Karl Richter

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: how do you reduce poly count.
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>   Wooly Mittens <4g9a42$[e-mail]> writes:
>  > How do you CHECK the flatness limit?
>  > Alex
>
>  You Don't, That't the trouble with polygons consisting out of
>  more than 3 points. I you move 1 in the axis that is the normal
>  to the polygon your polygon won't by flat anymore.
>
>  Lightwave doesn't care and renders something creative.

    ??? "You don't" ??  How about simply hitting "non-planar" in the
    polygon statistics window?    LW does care, that's why it gets
    creative.

    I don't take your meaning.  "The >trouble< with"  n-gons?  They are
    more than worth the trouble.

>
>  Wooly Mittens


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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Lightwave 4.0 Deficiency
Date: 15 Mar 1996 07:54:52 GMT
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>   [e-mail] (Kevin Beardslee) writes:
>  Does anyone else find it annoyong that you can't scale a group of
>  picked vertices about their LOCAL axis?

    Hmmmm, the , uh, "hand" interface SCALE function operates from wherever you
center the cursor--won't this do?

    If not, you can always write a BML macro to do what you wish.

>  Kevin Beardslee

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>   Bryant Reif <[e-mail]> writes:
>  Rick Dean wrote:
>  >
>  > Any Lightwave gurus out there that could help me with this one!  I have a client that
needs a
>  > tornado...

>  Yeah, just take a highly segmented cone and swirl it.  I made a great
>  tornado using this simple method.


    I'm dyin' to know:  what kinda client needs a tornado?  >8^)


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Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
Date: 15 Mar 1996 07:59:39 GMT
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>   Doug Brooks <[e-mail]> writes:
>  Stranahan wrote:
>  >
>  > In my opinion, Lw is used more on TV because it's much easier to use for
>  > the sort of things that TV VisFX are used for. LW was practically born to
>  > do Sci-Fi TV shows.
>
>  Boy, sounds like you haven't used much 3ds <G>.  <predictable horn tooting
SNIPPED!>

    Geez, not this crap again.

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Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
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>   [e-mail](William Teegarden) writes:
>  I would say that in large part it's due to the fact that LW happened to
>  be in the right place at the right time.  Tools where developed for LW
>  starting with Babalyon 5, and then later for seaQuest.  These two shows
>  got LightWave started in this area, and now Space: Above and Beyond
>  uses it, which will add even more tools to the software which is
>  increasingly geared towards the production of such work.

    BTW, I sat today with a Softimage animator for an hour, and he was
    really complimentary about LW lensflare--said it kicked butt on the
    SI lensflare.  So, as greg said above, if you want space engines with
    state of the art lensflare,  LW may be the way to go.



>  GT

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Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
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>   Andrew Weiler <[e-mail]> writes:

>  Last I looked this was the LightWave newsgoup, and people are entitled
>  to express an opinion, even in blanket-statment fashion.

    It's crossposted to many groups:  check your header.  I don't know how
to stop it on my package (looks like it isn't), YMMV.

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Subject: Re: User Interface: was Re: MAX or Lightwave?
Date: 15 Mar 1996 08:05:13 GMT
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>   Ken Geary <[e-mail]> writes:
>  Also I'd love to see a utility that could do an OCR type of function and take a scanned
logo and assign the closest font/fonts to it.

    Slick as that might be, you don't really think anybody is going to make
    one, do you?



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Hey all - I just posted a very slick Windows 95 Windows NT utlity for renaming
sequences of files.  Example:  filename000.ext renamed to filename.000
                          or:  filename.000 renamed to filename000.ext

You can plug in your own filename, number, and extention.  Very slick windows
interface and it's 32 bit.


It's in the incoming directory on newtek and the LW/incoming directory on
tomahawk..

Enjoy!

-Bill Ford

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> Frankly, if you like the effects on B-5 and the other syndie SF programs,
> then why should those programs be made with the more expensive 3DS?
> In weekly series production, cost does matter.

I work in a _small_ company, and for me, the price difference between LW and
3ds, even if 3ds were twice the price, is absolutely insubstantial compared
to the cost of LW in terms of rendering time - we don't have the computing
power to easily put a machine "offline" for a few days while it renders an
animation that would take 3ds literally one tenth the time to do. I sorta
assumed the cost of the extra horsepower LW needs would be magnified in a
larger company, not reduced as you seem to indicate? (Am I missing something
here?)

That said, as we are Amiga based, we don't even have the choice :(


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From: Phil Thorn <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave?
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:01:38 -0800
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InstntGuts wrote:
>
> <<Indeed.  When I found out today that it is not possible to do a
> limited region render in 3Ds (CGW, 3/96, pg. 68), and that 3dS had trouble
> importing DXF files (ibid) (!!!), well, it makes me wonder what OTHER
> lame-osities are hidden within.>>
>
> The only "lame-osities" I see are the people in this newsgroup who are
> propagating the most laughable lies about 3D Studio and MAX I've yet seen.
> (I suppose it's a little embarassing to point out to "Ace" and the rest of
> the readers here that there's no such thing as "MAX Beta 5," which Ace
> claims to have. This little detail, plus the other obviously nonsensical
> claims he's making about the program -- claims which can be easily
> disputed through public information -- indicates that Mr. Miles has an
> agenda other than telling the truth about the software.)

Actually, you are only embarrasing yourself. Ace is correct on most of his points.
I work for an Autodesk dealer and we currently are using....you guessed it...
Max beta 5.

BTW, He's actaully being kind in some respects......I'll wait 'til the real thing
ships before I comment further in a public forum. I will say that I wish LW had
MAX's volumetric lights and fog but sadly there is little else I would wish on
LightWave at this point.

As for the comments about CGW and thier infamous feature lists, I haven't seen
them do one accurately yet. They need to get thier S@#$ together or face the fact
that they just can't compare features they know nothing about.

<snip>
> -- Jon

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From: Phil Thorn <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Frankly, if you like the effects on B-5 and the other syndie SF programs,
> > then why should those programs be made with the more expensive 3DS?
> > In weekly series production, cost does matter.
>
> I work in a _small_ company, and for me, the price difference between LW and
> 3ds, even if 3ds were twice the price, is absolutely insubstantial compared
> to the cost of LW in terms of rendering time - we don't have the computing
> power to easily put a machine "offline" for a few days while it renders an
> animation that would take 3ds literally one tenth the time to do. I sorta
> assumed the cost of the extra horsepower LW needs would be magnified in a
> larger company, not reduced as you seem to indicate? (Am I missing something
> here?)
>
> That said, as we are Amiga based, we don't even have the choice :(

This puzzles me. How do you know of the difference in render speeds if you are,
as you say, Amiga based?

 As a user of both packages (LW&3DS) on the intel platform I can tell you that
LW renders as fast as the DOS based 3DS on most scenes and even faster if I
play with the AA settings when doing video work. Let me qualify this statement
by saying that I'm talking about fairly complex scenes here. (50,000+ polys)
If I model in LW the difference is even greater as LW modeler is more optomized
than 3DS' but most of my bench marks were done using existing 3DS files that
I imported into LW and attempted to match surfaces as closely as I could.

-Phil

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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Lightwave is all around a better animation package than 3DS.
>
> Not wishing to sound like the Self-Appointed-Net-Police (but probably doing so
> anyway...) but you shouldn't state your opinion as if it were fact on a topic
> like this - it results in the worst sort of flamewars, and then the whole
> newsgroup suffers...

I don't think any intelligent person would confuse such a statement as
anything but opinion. Why don't you goose-step somewhere else.......

DLF

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Subject: Re: Tough character animation choice
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In article <[e-mail]>, nir <[e-mail]> wrote:
>All :)
>
>Nice to see you all again, and I hope to come here much often than I used to
in the last year (?!!)
>
>I'm facing a tough choice:
>
>I  need to do a character  animation of a Jaguar, sitting on a branch and
leaping to attack.
>
>note that we plan to buy  the Jaguar, not model it.
>
>I have two options:
>
>A. Do it in Lightwave with bones
>
>pros: I know lightwave very well, and won't spend much time on preparing the
animation, but
>rather on doing it.
>
>cons: My experiments with character animation using bones in LW usually end
up with messed
>polygons and than reverting to cutting the object and animate joints.
>
>B. Do it in Alias V7 on a SGI Indy.
>
>pros: Alias is supposed to be much better in character (bones) animation. It
has good IK, spline
>modelling etc.
>
>cons: I don't know sh!t about Alias. Or rather, what I know about it is sh!t.
I have to learn enough
>to be able to do great Jaguar animation (and another small human animation)
in the time frame.
>
>The time frame is approx. six weeks.
>
>Any suggestions? Tips for using bones for character animation in LW,  Tips on
the same in Alias
>(If anyone here is using it)?
>
>Thanx all.
>
>Nir Hermoni,


Jeez  - the decisions some people have to make.

No - I would not attempt the Jaguar in Lightwave.

You seem to have access to some powerful systems and software. I don't use
Alias but if you only have 6 weeks and already use it - then go for it.

If you really need an alternative - go for Hash's Animation Master.

BUT - if you only have six weeks, it seems to me that you don't have the time
to learn a completely new system to the degree you are talking about. Please
prove me wrong and tell me the software you use because I'll buy it.

Cheers

Kevin Gleeson
Hobart TAS OZ

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David Forbus <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>>            LARGE-SCALE INTERACTIVE VISUALIZATION ENVIRONMENT (LIVE)
>>

>snip.....
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> What is LIVE?
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> The Large Scale Interactive Visualization Environment (LIVE) is a resource for
>> visualization and analysis of large-scale datasets at the Numerical Aerodynamic
>> Simulation (NAS) Facility at NASA Ames Research Center.

>snip...........

>> LIVE hardware is comprised of the following:
>>
>> *  Silicon Graphics Power Onyx system with four R8000 processors and two
>>    Reality Engine 2s.
>> *  5 gigabytes of RAM.
>> *  200 gigabytes of fast disk (single-file optimized read rate of 250
>>    megabytes/sec).
>>
>> LIVE is connected to the NAS Cray C-90 (vn) and mass storage systems (scott and
>> chuck, presently 1.8 terrabytes) via a HiPPI connection capable of 60
>> megabytes/sec peak transfer rate.
>>
>>

>Is anyone else sexually aroused?

I have to go change my underwear...






>DLF



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Walter (Jay) Turberville (III) wrote:
>
> In article <4i9r8s$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gord Davison) writes:
> [snip]
>
> >  Furthermore, having a "suite" of programs doesn't necessarily mean having to
> >  laboriously ALT-TAB back and forth between them. For instance, all programs
> >  [or perhaps "modules" would be more suitable in this context] could be
> >  accessed from within the same main screen. Hypothetically speaking, Layout,
> >  Modeller, MeshPaint, etc. could each have a separate box across the top of the
> >  screen, similar to the positioning and function of the SCENE, OBJECTS, SURFACES
> >  buttons in Layout. Click a button and Voilà: the toolset changes to reflect
> >  the module selected. Click another button to access a different module and have
> >  the newly-changed objects/data instantly updated in the current program/module.
>
> >==========================================================================
> > Gord Davison                      | 2D/3D Animator ¤ Multimedia Designer
>
> Laboriously????   Hey - I'm not expert on interface design.  About all I have
> to say about it is that good interfaces provide alternatives.  To me, that
> means keystrokes and GUI means to access most features.  That said, I think it
> is fairly absurd to call ALT-TAB a "laborious" activity.  It is darn simple
> and quick and is much faster than most mouse actions.  Perhaps it is not an
> elegant way to integrate applications, but laborious?
>
> Walter (Jay) Turberville         |[e-mail]  [e-mail]
> Studio 522 Productions           |http://www.primenet.com/~wturber
> http://www.studio522.com         |ftp.primenet.com/users/w/wturber---------
Softimage for NT has an UGLY user interface, very DOS'y ... BUT I DON'T CARE! It's basic
menu strips along each side is easy enough to navigate and you stay in the same work window
while you change modules-this is great as it doesn't disrupt your train of thought.  I have it
here at work and wish I could afford for home(who doesn't?).

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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> >   Ken Geary <[e-mail]> writes:
> >  Also I'd love to see a utility that could do an OCR type of function and take a scanned
> logo and assign the closest font/fonts to it.
>
>         Slick as that might be, you don't really think anybody is going to make
>         one, do you?
>
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c'mon, the plug-in guys out there are probably saying "great idea", BTW I get 10% for the idea;)

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From: [e-mail] (Vaibhav Goel)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Andrew Weiler  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> --I'm not a LW partisan either, but I do know that LW renderer beats 3ds
>any day, 3DS has a "look" to it that's very recognizable, and I don't
>think the realism that Space has achieved could've been done in 3DS. 3DS
>does have it's advantages, it's renderer is not one of them.
>

I have seen quite a few LW rendered images on various web pages and many
a times you can tell that they have been rendered in LW.  Specially the
ones which have Lens Flares in them.  Now I realise this might be more a
fault of the artist, but I have seen too many renders that look alike.
There have been some exceptions of course.  Also you can tell that Space:
Above & Beyond had some LW rendered fx.  Oh btw, I have seen 3DS rendered
stuff too that looks the same and stuff that doesnt.  So its all upto the
artist really.

Regards,
Vaibhav

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From: [e-mail] (Michael D. Bartman)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Prem's "Stranahan-esque" rant
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 15:52:54 GMT
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Ernie Wright <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Prem Subrahmanyam wrote:

>> "NewTek makes powerful, easy-to-use tools for everyone--not just the
>> Hollywood elite (but we like them really a lot)...."
>>
>> Who the heck did they get to write this?  A foreign exchange student?

>I'm sure this is an intentional affectation of artlessness and not a
>language skills deficit.  Think "charmingly youthful."  Of course it
>comes off sounding jejune and self-conscious, particularly in the con-
>text of the balls motif.  And, clearly, if the reader doesn't get the
>subtext, it just sounds semi-literate.

You are right in what you say about how it comes across, but it is so
poorly done that it makes me wonder whether it was intentional or
not...and that isn't good.

There's so much California in a lot of computer advertising today, and
it is just silly-sounding.  I understand that following Web links is
known as "surfing", but do we really need to adopt 1950's California
surfer-slang?  And does this habit really need to spread into all
computer software marketing?  What's next, Valley Girl Jargon?

LIke, ya know, this is some seriously grody advertising...I mean,
like, gag me with a floppy or somethin', but I just don't know, ya
know?  It's like, like, gross...really Lord God GROSS!  Noway...

-- Mike
        "I hope Moon Unit Zappa isn't available for live ads..."
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From: [e-mail] (Tim Gunn)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation
Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
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Doug Brooks <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Stranahan wrote:
>>
>> In my opinion, Lw is used more on TV because it's much easier to use for
>> the sort of things that TV VisFX are used for. LW was practically born to
>> do Sci-Fi TV shows.

>Boy, sounds like you haven't used much 3ds <G>. Keep in mind 3ds is used in
>just about every CD ROM Visfx these days. It's also used alot more in
>broadcast/film than you're giving credit (johnnie pnemonic, virtuosity,
>etc). Although Lightwave is high profile it's not the only option, 3ds can
>put out some very cool stuff too.

Ageed, 3DS can do some nice stuff, But it's major failing is that it
is much harder to use than lightwave and it takes long to do simple
things. Moving a ship along a complicated path in lightwave is a
simple task. In 3DS it isn't so easy. Of course Imagine is even harder
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Koren)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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Bryant Reif <[e-mail]> wrote:

> is the best, fastest, easiest, and cheapest way to accelerate an Amiga.
>  The Warp Engine is not fast enough.

There is no cheap way to accelerate an Amiga.  The best, fastest way is
to get an 060 card.  That will give you a performance improvement
ranging from 3 to 5X compared to an 040/25.

There is something called the "sonnet doubler" that improves the 68060
to 50 Mhz, but in reality it won't come anywhere close to doubling your
system's performance, because it uses the same slow memory architecture
and speed that the 040/25 does, so you'll be severely limited by memory
speed.  In general I suspect this thing is not worth the price and you
should just spring for the 060.  But 060s are not cheap.

  - steve

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: multi-select
Date: 15 Mar 1996 16:20:21 GMT
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>   [e-mail] (Steve Schram) writes:
>  Is it possible to select multiple objects in Layout?  Most of my work involves large
numbers of objects which need to be moved sometimes individually and sometimes as
groups-atoms and molecules etc( I do Scientific animation).  Anyway it takes
>          me forever to move these objects one at a time.  Hope there is an answer
>  Steven I Schram

    You could always group them with a null object, if the groups don't change.

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave?
Date: 15 Mar 1996 16:23:58 GMT
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>   [e-mail] (InstntGuts) writes:
>  <<Indeed.  When I found out today that it is not possible to do a
>  limited region render in 3Ds (CGW, 3/96, pg. 68), and that 3dS had trouble
>  importing DXF files (ibid) (!!!), well, it makes me wonder what OTHER
>  lame-osities are hidden within.>>
>
>  The only "lame-osities" I see are the people in this newsgroup who are
>  propagating the most laughable lies about 3D Studio and MAX I've yet seen.

    Well, that's WHY I quoted the page in CGW --I didn't believe it could
be possible.

>  1. If you want to render a region in 3D Studio R4, you pick (drum roll,
>  please)...
>
>  RENDER/REGION
>
>  Then you select the region of your scene you want to render.

    Somebody should tell those animators down in the southwest about this, eh?

>
>  2. 3D Studio has no problems whatsoever importing normal .DXF files,

>  Folks, if you're gonna spread lies about 3D Studio... you might make them
>  "slightly" more plausible than these pathetic attempts. Barring that, you
>  might actually really *use* the program, or read the manuals.

    Well, Mr. Courtesy, check the article.
>
>  -- Jon
>
>>>>


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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: TV: Why always LW and not 3DS?
Date: 15 Mar 1996 16:25:56 GMT
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>   Steph Greenberg <[e-mail]> writes:
>  Mark has been doing effects with Lightwave for at least a year before 3D
>  Studio even existed.

    uhhh, I believe that 3DS existed quite a while before Lightwave.

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From: [e-mail] (Simon Blackledge)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Powerview Problem
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In message <[e-mail]>
        "Robert K. Williams" <[e-mail]> writes:

> When I call Powerview up from the tools menu, I get an error message of:
> "Can't get handle" or something to that effect.  Pressing OK then gives the
> shaded preview just fine.  Any ideas why the error message occurs?

> Regards,

> Rob


I also get it but i just ignore it :-}

Could be looking for a yet to be programed interface?
--
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 ----> Also you can tell that Space:
>Above & Beyond had some LW rendered fx.  <-----
                    ^^^^

Space: Above & Beyond is ALL LW rendered stuff.

GT



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From: TL Westgate <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: --={TL}=-- Trees & RAM
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 12:02:44 -0500
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Hello all, question for ya:

I have to render several dozen trees in a scene. Each tree object is 1
meg on the hard drive, and close to the 65,000 point limit. In order to
create a row of these, should I move each one into place in modeler and
save them as seperate objects (which offers the convenience of not
moving them in layout), or keep loading the object into layout and then
moving them, load & move, (or clone & move) etc. Which method will save
the most on RAM. I have 40 megs, but since each tree is 1 meg, will I
run out of memory and have to page to the hard drive after less than 40
trees (taking system requirements into account)? This is a tough task,
as I will need approximately 150 trees in the scene. Yuck!

BTW, anybody have any Live Oaks, Laurel Oaks, Areca Palms, Wax Myrtles,
or Cocoplums?

TIA,
TL


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From: Ace Miles <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.packages.3dstudio,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave,comp.graphics.animation
Subject: Re: MAX or Lightwave? How about some MAX here folks.
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 08:53:10 -0800
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Jeff Jasper wrote:

> MAX is renderer independant, so no it is not the same as r4's
>
The renderer that ships with MAX is the same. If and when there are
render engine plugins for it you'll probably pay another thousand or so.

> What about those splines? Also MAX comes with optimize, so you can trim the
> fat off your objects without hurting detail.

What about those splines? You still end up with polys in the end, lots
of polys. You can use optimize if you want, but like I said LW gives
you complete control and optimize takes that away. When your modeling
for real-time 3d games YOU NEED CONTROL.
By the way I model with splines patches all the time.

> I'm a student and I can afford 3DSr4 and MAX, I'm sure professionals can
> handle the price too. I have to say MAX has one of the best modelers around,
> note I do not say THE BEST, but it is damn good. I don't like being stuck
> using only polys like with LW. I prefer splines to polys. Alias is still my
> fav modeler but there is a software/hardware combo way beyond my budget.

> Jeff

Well it sounds like you're not concerned with money too much. So, by the
time you add up the cost of Max, and all it's expensive plugins (Biped,
a good renderer, etc), you could probably afford a program like Soft
Image.

If you don't like to spend extra money and want to ANIMATE with splines
models I would suggest Animation Master. You could have the best of both
worlds by getting LW and AM and it still won't cost as much as Max
without the plugins.


--
 Ace Miles * Senior Animator * Time Warner Interactive
   [e-mail] (work)  or   [e-mail] (home)
    "Because, I think once you've been a New Kid,
     You should pay for it the rest of your life."
                        -Teller

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From: [e-mail] (Adam Pletcher)
Newsgroups: alt.games.descent,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave used in Descent 2?
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Brenden Mecleary <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hello all!  I was watching the Descent 2 intro (for the 5th time) and
>I began to wonder if Lightwave 3D was used to render the cutscenes in
>D2?  Does anyone out there know?  (hint hint Parallax guys)  Judging by
>the look of the particle blur and motion blur, and by the motion of the
>ship, I think it is.  Could anyone clarify this for me?  Thanks in
>advance!

The D2 cutscenes were done in 3DS4.  We're not what you'd call the
biggest Lightwave users.

---
Adam Pletcher
Parallax Software
[e-mail]


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what is the name of the patch file that solves this problem?  thx. and
where can I get it?


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From: [e-mail] (Matt Toschlog)
Newsgroups: alt.games.descent,comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave used in Descent 2?
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Brenden Mecleary ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hello all!  I was watching the Descent 2 intro (for the 5th time) and
: I began to wonder if Lightwave 3D was used to render the cutscenes in
: D2?  Does anyone out there know?  (hint hint Parallax guys)  Judging by
: the look of the particle blur and motion blur, and by the motion of the
: ship, I think it is.  Could anyone clarify this for me?  Thanks in
: advance!

The cinematics in Descent II were produced with 3D Studio, plus a pile of
third-party plug-ins.

Matt Toschlog
Parallax Software


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Brenden Mecleary wrote:
>
> Hello all!  I was watching the Descent 2 intro (for the 5th time) and
> I began to wonder if Lightwave 3D was used to render the cutscenes in
> D2?  Does anyone out there know?  (hint hint Parallax guys)  Judging by
> the look of the particle blur and motion blur, and by the motion of the
> ship, I think it is.  Could anyone clarify this for me?  Thanks in
> advance!
>
>                                                     Brenden Mecleary
>                                                     [e-mail]
>                                                     "Bman" on KALI

Actually, we used 3d studio and a few assorted ipas routines for the
cutscenes <G>.

--
Doug Brooks
Parallax Software

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From: Robert Baldwin <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 10:23:54 -0600
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JBooth411 wrote:

>       I think you may be forgeting about the local coirdinate system. Are
> you acounting for any offsets caused by parented null objects? We have our
> own conversion system, which does similair things to what your doing, and
> it works fine so I doubt the bug is in Layout. Have your programers check
> thier code..
>
> Jason Booth
> Second Nature, Inc.
>  "I'm programing a raytracer that only outputs in ASCII art! I'LL BE
> RICH!!!!"

That's just the thing! If the local coordinate system WAS working the number
would be right! However, it just seems to be throwing away the Waist (-.25)
offset, and therefore everything from the Pelvis objects down are .25 off from
where they are supposed to be!!! Arrrrrrrgh!!

I'll post the scene file if anyone is interested (it's all null objects,) but,
boy is this an annoying bug!

Robert Baldwin
Ultima IX: Ascension
Origin Systems, Inc.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael B. Comet)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Lightwave 3D FAQ #5 - Frequently Asked Questions
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+======================================================================+
|                             Lightwave 3D                             |
|                      FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS                      |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                              Written By                              |
|                           Michael B. Comet                           |
+======================================================================+

        This is the Frequently Asked Questions posting for the Lightwave
3D Mailing list and Newsgroup.  This posting is sent every so often to
answer general questions that users of the 3D rendering software,
Lightwave 3D by NewTek may have.  It is aimed toward all users,
especially newcomers to the program.

        If you find any errors or have answers to other frequently asked
questions that you would like to have included in this posting, please
send e-mail to: [e-mail].

        - Mike C.

========================================================================

                       COPYRIGHT & DISCLAIMER

The Lightwave 3D FAQ is Copyright 1995 Michael B. Comet.
  All Rights Reserved.

No portion of the Lightwave 3D FAQ my be duplicated in part or in whole,
by any means electronic or otherwise without prior written consent of
the author.  The Lightwave 3D FAQ may not be sold either individually
or as part of other material.  The Lightwave 3D FAQ may be distributed
via electronic mail, Usenet news and other internet resources so long
as no charge is incurred for the actual document itself.

There is no guarantee regarding any information presented in this
document either implicit or implied.  The information may not be
correct, useful or helpful.  The reader accepts ALL responsibility for
actions pertaining to reading this document regardless of consequence.

========================================================================

Date          : March 14, 1996 Thu.
Issue Number  : 5
What's New    : Section 1, #1 Added lwbugs and lwfeatures email info
                Section 1, #3 Updated information about the mailing list
                Section 3, #10 Setting up Image Sequences
                Section 4, #7 Fix for WACOM tablet and Lightwave

Current Version of LW as of this FAQ:  LW 4.0

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CONTENTS:
=========

    SECTION 1 - Support/Products/Sites
         1] How do I reach NewTek?
         2] Lightwave related: References/Help Books/Magzines/FTP sites.
         3] What is the Lightwave Newsgroup and Mailing List and how
            can I obtain it?
         4] Is there any documentation regarding the 3D Object File
            format for Lightwave Objects?
         5] How can I write my own Plug-Ins for Lightwave?
         6] I am having problems installing LW from the CD-ROM!
         7] I am having problems transfering scene files from the PC to
            the Amiga

    SECTION 2 - Lightwave Modeler
         1] How do I merge multiple layers into one layer?
         2] How can I save an object so that data get loaded back into
            its original layer?
         3] My object has duplicate polygons, how do I remove them?
         4] Why on the Amiga version of Modeler am I getting the error
            message "Internal buffer too small"
         5] Is there a way to "Un-metaform"?

    SECTION 3 - Lightwave Layout - Surfaces and Textures
         1] List of common Index of Refractions (and not so common too!)
         2] I texture my object and save my scene, but next time I
            load the scene the settings are gone!
         3] My Lens Flares fade behind objects I don't want them too!
         4] How can I copy a surface and paste it onto another?
         5] How can I measure the size of my object to figure out
            texture sizes?
         6] I am having problems getting LW to load 256 color images
            without expanding them to truecolor (24 bit)
         7] I am rendering an object with bones but my polygons seem to
            keep getting errors or are not smooth!
         8] Why are my smaller objects with the glow effect not really
            showing a glow?
         9] How come edge transparency doesn't seem to function for
            flat polygons?
        10] How do I use Image Sequences?

    SECTION 4 - Lightwave Layout - Animation
         1] I move my objects into position, but they keep "forgetting"
            where they were.
         2] I have problems setting bones for my object.  My object
            keeps resizing or changing.
         3] Can I click on an item to select it in Layout?
         4] Whenever I create a preview wireframe animation, my objects
            don't show up, but I can see Lightsources and paths.
         5] How can I copy a keyframe for an item?
         6] Quick Spline Control Tips
         7] I have problems trying to position objects with my WACOM
            tablet!

========================================================================
                   SECTION 1 - Support Products/Sites
========================================================================

1] How do I reach NewTek?

    NewTek, Inc.
    Executive Offices
    1200 SW Executive Drive
    Topeka, KS 66615

    Voice:            913-228-8000
    FAX:              913-228-8001
    Customer Service: 800-847-6111
    Dealer Sales:     800-368-5441
    Dealer FAX:       [phone]

    TECHNICAL SUPPORT

    Voice:            913-228-8282
    FAX:              913-228-8222
    BBS:              913-271-9299


    There are now 2 email address for Lightwave requests and bugs:

    Feature Ideas can be sent to:  [e-mail]
    Bug reports can be sent to:    [e-mail]

    Each of these addresses are monitored and read by people in the
    LightWave Group.


    Those with World Wide Web access might also wish to look at
    http://www.newtek.com/
    which has product information and pricing.

    In addition there is a NewTek FTP site at: ftp.newtek.com

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2] Lightwave related: References/Help Books/Magzines/FTP sites.

  REFERENCES AND HELP BOOKS:

    "Lightwave 3D Layout Reference and Modeler Reference", NewTek Inc., 1995
                   (Yes....read the manual!)

  MAGAZINES:

    These are some good graphics magazines, some focus on Lightwave, the
Video Toaster or general graphics.  If anyone has some other suggestions
please mail me the pertintent information.

    "LightWavePRO"
    Avid Media Group
    273 N. Mathilda Ave.
    Sunnyvale, CA 94086
    800-322-2843
    408-774-6770
            (LightWavePRO is the definitive LightWave Newsletter/journal
    for the LightWave user.)

    "LIGHTSPEED: The video Magazine for the Lightwave enthusiast"
    2763 West Ave L Suite 172
    Lancaster  CA 93636
    Voice: (800) 764 - 8696
       or  (805) 726 - 3545
            (Lightspeed is a new video magazine series released
    monthly that users can subscribe to.  Each issue contains many
    tutorials, product reviews, and animations.  Run Time per video is
    approx. 90-120 mins in length.  Each issue also contains tutorials
    and reviews by different people so you get a variety of styles and
    techniques.)

    "Video Toaster User"
    Avid Media Group
    273 N. Mathilda Ave.
    Sunnyvale, CA 94086
    800-322-2843 USA
    408-774-6770
            (A magazine focusing specifically on NewTeks Video
    Toaster device.  Also has a Lightwave column.)

    "Computer Artist"
    P.O. Box 3188
    Tulsa, OK 74101
    Voice: (918) 831 - 9405
    FAX:   (918) 831 - 9555
        (A magazine specifically for computer artists.  Articles on
    software and methods from Amigas, PC's and MAC's)

    "Computer Graphics World"
    P.O Box 122
    Tulsa, OK 74101-9845
    (800) 443 - 6632
    (918) 835 - 3161 ext. 400
    (918) 831 - 9497 (FAX)
            (A general computer graphics magazine focusing on the
    latest technology from PC's to SGI's)

    "AV Video"
    Montage Publishing Inc.
    P.O Box 16925
    North Hollywood, CA 91615
         or
    701 Wetchester Ave.
    White Plains, NY 10604
    Voice: (914) 328 - 9157
           (800) 800 - 5474
    FAX:   (914) 328 - 9093
        (An audio/video and computer magazine.  Has articles about all
    types of video and graphics applications including the Amiga and
    Video Toaster)

  FTP SITES:

    Those with internet access can use FTP to retrieve and send
Lightwave Objects, Scenes, Surfaces and more.

    FTP Site:  ftp.newtek.com
    Info:      NewTek's FTP server

    FTP Site:  tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu
    Path:      /pub/LW

    New items should be placed in the appropriate directory under
/pub/lw/incoming

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3] What is the LW Mailing List/Newsgroup and how can I obtain it?

Obtain access to Usenet news on the internet.  Then run your
newsreader software and use the USENET newsgroup for Lightwave:

        comp.graphics.apps.lightwave

    Once again this group is setup so that people may post questions,
answers and related discussions about Lightwave 3D.

        In addition there is a mailing list for Lightwave Users.
For information on this list send mail to:  [e-mail]
Place the text: INFO LIGHTWAVE
in the body of the message.  This will send back an automated set of
instructions.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

4] Is there any documentation regarding the 3D Object File format for
   Lightwave Objects?

    For documentaion on the 3D Object file format FTP to:

    FTP Site:   ftp.netcom.com
    Path:       pub/lw/lwsdk
    Filename:   fmtLWOB

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5] How can I write my own Plug-Ins for Lightwave?

You need to get the LightWave Server Developer Kit (LWSDK) which
contains headers, libraries, samples and documentation for plug-in
development.  The LWSDK is available for the Amiga OS, SGI IRIX, and
Win32 on Intel, MIPS and Alpha platforms.

The LWSDK is supported on the "lwplugin-l" mailing list.  To subscribe
to the list, send a message to "[e-mail]" with the message
body (subject is ignored):

        subscribe lwplugin-l <optional-email-address>

You will receive a informational message when you subscribe explaining
the list and how to get the LWSDK by FTP.  To get the informational
message without subscribing, send a message to the same address above
with the message body:

        info lwplugin-l

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6] I am having problems installing LW from the CD-ROM!

    Some CD-ROM drives have a problem reading certain files off of the
LW 4.0 Pre-release CD-ROM.  To do a complete install, run the LW install
again, but do not select PostScript Fonts.  Then manually copy the
fonts over from the CD-ROM when the installation completes.  Some
PostScripts fonts such as "Unitus" may not copy over.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

7] I am having problems transfering scene files from the PC to the Amiga

   The PC and Amiga handle Carrige Return and Line Feed characters
slightly differently.  You need to convert CR/LF <-> LF.  If you are
using CrossDOS turn on the file filter to do this.  CrossDOS will also
handle Control-Z EOF markers that DOS uses.  You can also strip out
the CTRL-M's on the Amiga side.

========================================================================
                  SECTION 2 - Lightwave Modeler
========================================================================

1] How do I merge multiple layers into one layer?

    Bring each layer you want to merge into the foreground.  (ie: Shift
click the foreground layer button for each layer).  Then select "Cut"
to remove all data and keep it in memory.  Then select "Paste" to
place all the data into the first selected foreground layer.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

2] How can I save an object so that data get loaded back into its
   original layer?

    Normally when you save an object all foreground layers are simply
saved into the file and when reloaded placed into the first foreground
layer.  However, you can tell modeler to store information about what
was in each layer so when the object is reloaded, the data is placed
back into each original layer.

    Select the layers to save as foreground layers (like normal).  Then
press and hold the 'Alt' or 'Amiga' key while selecting "Save As".
Enter the filename to save the file as, you may still need to hold down
the 'Alt' key.  Now click the "Save As" button in the dialog while
holding down the 'Alt' key.  The object is saved with layer information.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

3] My object has duplicate polygons, how do I remove them?

    Sometimes you may have duplicate polygons on an object,  To remove
them choose 'Unify' from the 'Polygon' menu.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

4] Why on the Amiga version of Modeler am I getting the error message
   "Internal buffer too small"

    This is a known problem with 3.5a on the Amiga.  Obtain 3.5b.  A
patch is available on the ftp site: tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu or at the
NewTek site.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

5] Is there a way to "Un-metaform"?

    Currently there is no way to un-metaform or simplify an object in
LW Modeler.

========================================================================
           SECTION 3 - Lightwave Layout - Surfaces and Textures
========================================================================

1] List of common Index of Refractions (and not so common too!)

         (All items except Vacuum are in alphabetical order)
         (STP = Standard Temperature and Pressure)

         MATERIAL                      Index
         -------------------------------------
         Vacuum ...................... 1.00000 (exactly)

         Air (STP).................... 1.00029
         Acetone ..................... 1.36
         Alcohol ..................... 1.329
         Amorphous Selenium .......... 2.92
         Calspar1 .................... 1.66
         Calspar2 .................... 1.486
         Carbon Disulfide ............ 1.63
         Chromium Oxide .............. 2.705
         Copper Oxide ................ 2.705
         Crown Glass ................. 1.52
         Crystal ..................... 2.00
         Diamond ..................... 2.417
         Emerald ..................... 1.57
         Ethyl Alcohol ............... 1.36
         Flourite .................... 1.434
         Fused Quartz ................ 1.46
         Heaviest Flint Glass ........ 1.89
         Heavy Flint Glass ........... 1.65
         Glass ....................... 1.5
         Ice ......................... 1.309
         Iodine Crystal .............. 3.34
         Lapis Lazuli ................ 1.61
         Light Flint Glass ........... 1.575
         Liquid Carbon Dioxide ....... 1.20
         Polystyrene ................. 1.55
         Quartz 1 .................... 1.644
         Quartz 2 .................... 1.553
         Ruby ........................ 1.77
         Sapphire .................... 1.77
         Sodium Chloride (Salt) 1 .... 1.544
         Sodium Chloride (Salt) 2 .... 1.644
         Sugar Solution (30%) ........ 1.38
         Sugar Solution (80%) ........ 1.49
         Topaz ....................... 1.61
         Water (20 C) ................ 1.333
         Zinc Crown Glass ............ 1.517

------------------------------------------------------------------------

2] I texture my object and save my scene, but next time I load the
   scene the settings are gone!

    Surface settings are saved with the object file not the scene file.
After surfacing your object in layout, choose the "Object Panel" and
then "Save Object" (or save all objects).  Choose Yes to overwrite the
objects with the new coloring.  Next time you load the scene or load
the object into another scene the surfaces will be correct.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

3] My Lens Flares fade behind objects I don't want them too!

        Lens flares can fade out behind objects.  To do this simply
set "Fade Behind Objects" button in the Lens Flare panel.  However any
object with 'Cast Shadows' turned OFF will allow the flare to show
through (ie: it won't fade).  Thus by making say the glass in a bulb
not cast shadows, a flare inside will still show.  However if you move
the bulb behind an object that casts shadows the flare will fade behind.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

4] How can I copy a surface and paste it onto another?

        There is no actual cut and paste operation.  However you can
save the surface you want, select the new surface and then load the
previous settings into place.  The usual way to do this is to select
the source surface and then to save the surface to a name such as
'temp.srf'.  Then select the target surface and load temp.srf.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

5] How can I measure the size of my object to figure out texture sizes?

    There are two ways.  Once is to manually build several grid objects.
Basically create a flat cube in modeler with a set size and set number
of sections.  When you load it into layout you can use this as a
reference.  Under the 'Object' panel you can turn on "Polygon Edges" so
that the grid even shows during rendering.

    Another easy way is when starting to set your texture or imagemap,
select the default "Planar Texture" and then choose "Automatic Size".
Lightwave will then set the center information to the center of the
surface and the size to the size in meters of the surface.  Note this
works on a per surface not a per object basis.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

6] I am having problems getting LW to load 256 color images without
   expanding them to truecolor (24 bit)

     LW will load images from 2 bit to 24 bit.  If you are having
problems getting 8 bit (256 color) color images to stay at 8 bit to save
memory try renaming the file 'IFF' in the directory NEWTEK\HIIP\LOADERS\
2,4,8 bit and other IFF images should load properly after that.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

7] I am rendering an object with bones but my polygons seem to keep
   getting errors or are not smooth!

    Even if you create many polygons for your object you may need to
go into Modeler and 'Triple' your polygons.  What happens is as your
object bends, the 4 or more points that make up your polygons will
move and become non-planar.  This will cause Lightwave to become
confused when rendering the object.  To solve this, start Modeler,
load your object and choose 'Triple' from the 'Polygon' menu.  This is
a good idea for object animated with bones or displacement maps.

    In addition it is possible that the angle of the polygons is greater
than the allowed smoothing angle set in the surfaces menu.  Make sure
smoothing is selected for the surface and try raising the smoothing
angle if needed.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

8] Why are my smaller objects with the glow effect not really showing
   a glow?

    Small polygons, particles (single point polygons) and other objects
will glow with the glow effect.  However as the intensity of the glow
is relational to the surface area of the polygons.  More of a glow will
be created by numerous particles or polygons.

    In addition besides setting the surface to glow in the surface panel
you should check to make sure it is enabled globally in the 'Effects'
panel.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

9] How come edge transparency doesn't seem to function for flat
   polygons?

    The 'Edge Transparency' setting in the Surfaces panel is used to
create transparent edges on objects that are seen from a side and are
rounded, such as a sphere.  Flat polygons will not show any edge
transparency.  You may round them off and back to obtain the effect
but it may not look the way you want.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

10] How do I use Image Sequences?

    Lightwave has the ability to map a different image onto a surface
for each frame.  This feature known as Image Sequences can let you
place an "animation in an animation" such as a video inside of a 3D
television set.

    From the 'Images Panel' in Layout choose the 'Load Sequence' button.
Now simply choose the first image in the sequence.  The file extension,
sequence digits and offset are all set for you.  Alternatively you
can simply enter the text part of the image name, and enter the extension
and digits yourself later.

    There are some important things to note with image sequences.

    - All images in a sequence must share the same number of digits
       such as:   pic001.iff  pic020.iff  pic325.iff
       In this case the digit number is 3 and the extension is .iff

    - Lightwave uses the last picture it can for all frames until a new
      one is found.  Thus for the above, pic001.iff is used from frames
      1 to 19.  Then at frame 20 pic020.iff is used until frame 324 and
      so on.

    - It is easier to simply select one of the files since if you simply
      enter the name such as "pic" when loading a sequence you must
      manually enter the number of digits and extension.

========================================================================
              SECTION 4 - Lightwave Layout - Animation
========================================================================

1] I move my objects into position, but they keep "forgetting" where
   they were.

    In order for Lightwave to remember the postion, rotation, size other
other settings of objects during an animation you must make a keyframe
for that object.  To do so, select "Create Key".  Then select either
"Selected Item" or "All" depending on if you want to create a keyframe
for just the selected item or for all items.

   An improtant note: Even if you create a key frame for an object
Light or Camera, if you go back later and alter it's position, rotation
or other setting you must choose "Create Key" again.  Otherwise the
item will be set back to it's last "key" setting.

    This is why there is no UNDO function in Layout.  If you wish to
undo a change, simply go back or forth to another frame without
choosing "Create Key".  When you return to the frame, the item will be
reset to it's last settings.

    HOWEVER, if you want to be able to simply change an item that
already has a keyframe set without having to select "Create Key" again
for that frame, choose "Auto Key Adjust" from the Option menu in Layout.
This sets Layout to always remember the last settings for an item when
you alter it in a keyframe.  Note that the only undo ability will be to
reload a saved scene in this case.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

2] I have problems setting bones for my object.  My object keeps
   resizing or changing.

   In order to place bones for your object there are 4 basic steps.

   1. Add a bone
   2. Position the bone, and resize it using REST LENGTH not size.
   3. Create a Keyframe for the bone
   4. Press 'r' to active it and set it's rest information.

   There are 2 important notes.  If you want to change the size of
the bone for setup, use the "Rest Length" operation, not the "Size"
operation.  Otherwise when you press 'r' the object will suddenly
grow or shrink.

    Also, you should set a keyframe for the bone, or it will be reset
to it's default settings.

TIP for adding Child Bones:

    Because child bones are added relative to their parent bones, it's
often easier to add 1 parent bone first and get it setup to the proper
size and rotation.  Then go and add a child bone or bones.  If you
do this, the child bones size will probably be more appropriate.  On
the other hand if you add all your bones at once, you will have to set
the Rest Length for each.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

3] Can I click on an item to select it in Layout?

    Yes, you should press the SHIFT key and click on objects origin.
The origin is the location of the object that rotations take place
around.  Note this is in Lightwave 4.0 and you must click fairly close
to that position.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

4] Whenever I create a preview wireframe animation, my objects don't
   show up, but I can see Lightsources and paths.

    In the Windows version of Lightwave, some display cards have a
problem with their video driver software.  This causes objects to
not appear when you create a wireframe preview.  To remedy this you
should contact your display card manufacturer to obtain a new version
of your graphics drivers.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

5] How can I copy a keyframe for an item?

    Go to the key frame you wish to copy.  Select "Create Key".
Now, change the frame number for the create key dialog to the frame
you wish to copy to.  Click Ok.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

6] Quick Spline Control Tips

    Spline controls are used to get better control at object motion and
other envelopes in Lightwave.  The following is a quick guide to them.
One thing to remember is that spline controls effect the action at that
point or keyframe.

    Tension:     + Positive = Items moves faster through point
                 - Negative = Items moves slower through point

    Continuity:  + Positive = Smoother curve point
                 - Negative = Sharper bounce at point

    Bias:        + Positive = Slack/more data after curve
                 - Negative = Slack/more data before curve

    Linear:      Straight motion from previous keyframe to next.  Other
                 settings may still affect motion up to the next key.

For example:

    To make an object slow down at a keyframe you would want to
have a negative Tension.  To make a ball bounce with a sharp change of
direction at a keyframe you will want a negative Continuity.  To make
it accelerate at that bounce frame you will want a postive tension
at the frame as well, and probably a negative one at the start of the
top of the fall.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

7] I have problems trying to position objects with my WACOM tablet!

    Those with WACOM tablets may have noticed that trying to move
objects in Layout around doesn't work.  This is because Lightwave keeps
reseting the mouse position and performs the move based on the relative
change of the mouse.  However the WACOM tablets report position in
absolute mode.

    The solution is to set the tablet into relative mode.  I think the
ARTZ-II has a button for this on the tablet itself...though check your
WACOM docs to be sure.

========================================================================
END OF LW3D-FAQ


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From: [e-mail] (emmanuel olympia)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: should i sell my a4000 and get a pentium/nt machine
Date: 15 Mar 1996 17:25:06 GMT
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I am just wondering the pros and cons of buying a pentium/nt system as
oppose to keeping my a4000 video toaster system.  up til now, the only
thing i ever use my a4000 for is lightwave.  I would like your thoughts on
these before I decide.  thx.

emmanuel

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From: [e-mail] (MicroTech)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: Lightwave Video Problems...Need Advice...
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On 14-Mar-96 17:31:51, Grimstock ([e-mail]) posted:

> I Am working with a Diamond Edge 3D video card (model 3240) and can't
> get it  to work with the wire frame preview, All of the easy answers
> don't work and I  can't find a hard one that will do the job well enough
> to make it worth the  trouble of having to do it four or five times a
> day, I have come to the point  that getting a new video card is becoming
> closer to the only reasonable  option, and I need advice from people
> using lightwave on a Windows 95 or  Windows NT platform on the cards
> that they are  using and have found to work  the best. I realize this is
> in part a hardware question and apoloize to those  that would mistake it
> as an attempt to bring hardware into a software fourm,  this is not my
> motive, and would ask all those that can help E-MAIL me  directly to
> avoid causing clutter in this newsgroup.
>
> [e-mail]

You might be having the same problem I did, although I have a different
model of Diamond card. With the standard Diamond driver on the Win95 CD,
everything was fine. When I downloaded the updated Diamond driver from
their WWW site, it added some nice bells and whistles, but the wireframe
preview function in Lightwave would misbehave. There were 3 ways to solve
it:

1) Under control panel/system/hardware performance, turn down the graphics
accelerator setting a couple of notches and retry.

2) Re-install the original CD version of the driver.

3) Install WinNT and use it for Lightwave sessions. There are no problems
with this under WinNT.

After experimenting with all 3, I opted for #3. Your mileage may vary, of
course, since you don't have the exact same card that I have.

John Crookshank
MicroTech

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From: [e-mail] (Alan Ridgeway)
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Subject: Re: Pinello Plugin?
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In article <4i6lqt$[e-mail]>, brad prosise <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Has anyone used the full blown pinello plugin for lightwave on
> the PC. (not the demo included). I would like some impressions
> regarding its use. Also I need to know where I can get it. Is
> it made by Xaos Tools or someone else. Thanks for any
> information.
> --

>  Brad Prosise  Visit my web site
> the URL is - http://users.aol.com/bprosise/private/bike.htm

I have tried to get info on the same product.
I called Xaos tools, they say it won't be available until 2nd or 3rd quarter.
Also I called NewTek (when you finally talk to some one who knows what you
are talking about) you will find they have some cool additions to Penello
Pro.
Oh yea, it won't help to look at Xaos Tools web site since it only has its
UNIX and Macintosh software up. On the phone they promised me PC updates
soon (yea right). Nor does it help to look at the NewTek web site. Yawner
:(

NewTek's marketing department must not educate the rest of the company on
products. I hear about Pennello Pro in DV magazine, and 3D magazine
reviews but those who answer the phone at NewTek are rather unaware of
what is going on.
I hope someone else can help you more then I can, because I have run into
quite a few brick walls over the same software.

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Subject: 1000+ 3d models
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models (in case you don't believe us).


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From: [e-mail] (John Foust)
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Subject: Re: Prem's "Stranahan-esque" rant
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In article <4ic3gg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>-- Mike
>        "I hope Moon Unit Zappa isn't available for live ads..."
>Bartman --

Does MTV count as a "live ad"?



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From: [e-mail] (John Foust)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re:  Help Find Lee Stranahan a Job!
Date: 15 Mar 1996 18:53:45 GMT
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In article <4iavlv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Statements like these are what polarize people in this group so
>much.  You seem to have a history of  making strong statements, then changing
>you mind (often-times  justifiably) but then attacking anybody who doesn’t
fall in
>line, or who still feels the way you once did. This IS a good way to attract
>followers, but also enemies. IMO this is not such a good way to gain respect.

Well, I guess you don't know much about starting a personality cult, do you?

>BTW: Young  Brad P. should be commended for attempting to defend his father
>out-gunned and out-numbered out here in very hostile territory.

Do you think he's looking for a job?

- John


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From: [e-mail] (The Glory Boys)
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Subject: Re: Lee Stranahan's Story Smells Fishy
Date: 15 Mar 1996 19:48:34 GMT
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>some people can't respond with argument so they try and destroy my character.
>Whoever you are, you're a coward...

That would seem to be quoted out of context but it isn't. You have however,
maintained the proper two to one sentence to oxymoron ratio. :-)

Keep smiling

GBi


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Koren)
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I wrote:

> There is something called the "sonnet doubler" that improves the 68060
> to 50 Mhz,

I meant: improve the 68040/25 to 50 Mhz, not the 060.

   - steve

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From: Rich Comber <[e-mail]>
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In article <4ia4ja$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I'm a college student with Lightwave Intel. I'm looking for some type of way
>to output my animations to video without spending $2000 on a PVR. The quality
>doesn't have to be top notch because I'm really just learning Lightwave. I
just
>need better quality than avi's and/or a way to output to video. How are the
>MPEG boards? What about TV boards?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Mark
>[e-mail]
>http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~mcohen

Consider buying a used PAR.  I got one for $900 and it works great.  Output to
component/s-video or composite.




------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Rich Comber <[e-mail]>        "The only bad day you have is the
                                       one you never get to see."


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From: [e-mail] (The Glory Boys)
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Subject: Re: "R. Stingly' seems fishy to Lee
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Sting-Lee- I get that-- What a fountain of wit this guy must be!

Do you think the "R" is for Really? or maybe Righteously?

Do you think maybe Lee is R. Sting-Lee?
He might want someone to fight with while the rest of are working!

GBi



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I have installed the lightwave version 4.0 rev. B under NT. I know that
there is a revision C for windows 3.11. Does also exist a revision under
NT?

-Thies-

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I used 3D Studio, v3 a few years back, while it had some interesting
features- it just seemed harder to use than it should be.  How hard?
Well even Imagine badck on the Amiga was easier to use, at least for
modeling anything other than text objects.

    I'm not saying junk it- after all, it has a lot common interface-wise
with AutoCAD, and I suspect it works well in that area, but for
straight-out cool things, LW just gets you there faster, because of its
interface, AutoDesk should take a few tips.
Z



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Subject: Re: Best way to pump up Amiga
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Bryant Reif <[e-mail]> wrote:
>My boss at the video production company has an Amiga he wants to
>accelerate.  He has already rejected my advice to purchase a PC.  What
>is the best, fastest, easiest, and cheapest way to accelerate an Amiga.
> The Warp Engine is not fast enough.

One word: Phase5   They do a bunch of well designed boards (and good/great reviews), including a '060 card, which should give you so=
me decient speed (slow to mid-range Pentium).  The other reason is more important in the long run.  They have anounced there will be=
w some kind of trade-in/upgrade to the PowerPC boards so your investment is as safe as anything in the PC industry these days.

Zoltan


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> what about the warp 060'?
> or the the mips risc boards
>I think they would hold up to 4 or 8 mips risc 4400's
>
>other than that you will have to wait for
>the power pc card from Amiga technologies
>
>good luck

Phase5 has said in one ad there will be an upgrade path from their 680xx
boards to the PowerPC, and I figure they might have hardware out before
AmigaTech.
Zoltan



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From: [e-mail] (Paul Andrews)
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Subject: Buying LW 4.0
Date: 15 Mar 1996 20:51:53 GMT
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Hi,
    I'm soon to go and buy LightWave 4.0 for the PC (within the next few days).
I'm based in the U.K. So...

    1) Does anyone in the U.K. know of a U.K. supplier discounting the
695UKP price?

    2) Does anyone in the UK want to sell me their copy (either very cheap) or
unregistered)?

    3) Anyone recommend a supplier in the U.S. My current aim is
to buy the software from Safe Harbor - including shipping it will come
to $892. If you know of a better deal tell me and post me the phone number
or web site details. I'd prefer a supplier that takes Amex (Safe Harbor don't
but I am impressed by their web site and phone manner).

    Thanks,





    Paul.

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From: [e-mail] (The Glory Boys)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: Re: EXPLOSIONS
Date: 15 Mar 1996 20:51:16 GMT
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In article <4hk49o$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>IAM NEW AT LIGHTWAVE WORLD AND I WOULD APRECIATE ANY HELP
AT HOW TO MAKE
>IMPRESIVE EXPLOSIONS LIKE SAY SPACECRAFT
EXPLOSIONS(BABYLON 5).
>MANY THANKS FOR YOUR ATENTION.

Depending on the type of explosions you want, lens flares may be the key to
giving the impression that something is actually being blown apart rather than
being pulled apart or simply breaking apart and expanding.

Whatever the length of the explosion, your lens flare should brightly flash and
then fall off relatively slowly. (KF = key frame, FI = flare intensity)  for example KF
0 - FI 0, KF 7 - FI 100, KF 25 - FI 0. This will of course, greatly vary depending on
your needs. In order to get the effect I’m describing, the growing flare needs to
outrun the expanding debris. Don’t be afraid to use a bright flash. Its highest
intensity is only lasts for a few frames, and it can give the explosion a powerful
look.

One more thing: Big explosions cause small explosions. Group several smaller
flash and expanding spark groups (use a lot of motion blur if you scene allows it)
around your main explosions.

Hope this helps

Let me know what you find is best

GBi



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From: [e-mail] (Bill Leonard)
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Date: 15 Mar 1996 20:16:40 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (hehehe) wrote:

> The problem is that the mac cannot or will not recognize either an
> NTFS formatted cart. or a FAT formatted cart, which in a way makes sense,
> but is still pretty stupid considering that I can read PC floppies on the
> mac, and considering that one of the main reasons I bought the Jaz was so
> I could do this type of thing.

Seems like you identified the problem yourself... the Mac never came with
a control panel called "NT Exchange" just "PC Exchange".  You won't get an
Intel Windows/DOS PC to read that Jaz disk either!

Sounds like you need some sort of additional utility to do what you want,
but I haven't heard of such a beast.  Maybe an Ethernet connection is in
order??

Good luck.

Bill Leonard - [e-mail]
cyber.lab g.f.x.
Orlando, Florida

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Got into a minnor argument with my brother last night over the CG
effects in Bablon5 and other SCiFi shows like StarWars and StarTrek, his
point being that stuff done with models looked realistic, while B5 et-al
looked bad.

I'm wondering: What type of factors come into play if you want to do
stuff that will pass for a model, I know Voager looks fine, and this was
exactly the problem they had (interspacing CG and "real" models), are
there things like certain lights used in filming models, certain surface
types, etc.

Lets get something going here, because, as much as I like B5, at the end
of the day, all I could say was it was a different look, while even old
stuff like Space:1999's ships looked more realistic than some B5 stuff.
Zoltan



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Got into a minnor argument with my brother last night over the CG
effects in Bablon5 and other SCiFi shows like StarWars and StarTrek, his
point being that stuff done with models looked realistic, while B5 et-al
looked bad.

I'm wondering: What type of factors come into play if you want to do
stuff that will pass for a model, I know Voager looks fine, and this was
exactly the problem they had (interspacing CG and "real" models), are
there things like certain lights used in filming models, certain surface
types, etc.

Lets get something going here, because, as much as I like B5, at the end
of the day, all I could say was it was a different look, while even old
stuff like Space:1999's ships looked more realistic than some B5 stuff.
Zoltan



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Hi,
    I'm soon to go and buy LightWave 4.0 for the PC using NT (within the next few days).
I'm based in the U.K. So...

    1) Does anyone in the U.K. know of a U.K. supplier discounting the
695UKP price?

    2) Does anyone in the UK want to sell me their copy (either very cheap) or
unregistered)?

    3) Anyone recommend a supplier in the U.S.? My current aim is
to buy the software from Safe Harbor - including shipping it will come
to $892. If you know of a better deal tell me and post me the phone number
or web site details. I'd prefer a supplier that takes Amex (Safe Harbor don't
but I am impressed by their web site and phone manner).

    Thanks,





    Paul.

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From: Remko Steenstra <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave
Subject: OpenGL and LightWave - what's the deal?
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 21:24:41 -0800
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Six months ago, someone from NewTek
told me about planned support for
OpenGL in LW. When I later asked the
LW dealer about this, he said OpenGL
was already supported in the latest
version(4.0). This was my main reason
for buying an OpenGl accelerator card.
Needless to say, it was a waste of
money. Does anyone know when this
support is scheduled?

Thanks,
Remko

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Well, attach it to a LearJet and you´re on, dude!

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Personally you mean??? No, not really....

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Subject: HELP! Moving into the feature
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Hello,
I am the Graphic Systems Administrator at Pleasant Company in Middleton,
Wisconsin, (near Madison). Our Creative Department is in the process of
moving into the future with the tools we use and how they are to be used.
Currently we use PowerMacs with Quark, Photoshop, and Illustrator as our
main software, form€Z and MacroModel for our Product Development, and
Director and Acrobat for special applications. We are looking to see what
other Creative Departments and Design Agencies are using and how they are
implementing them. As well as moving into the new technologies we are
remodeling our workspace to get the most beneficial working environment
and would appreciate any tips, tricks, and information about lighting,
desk arrangement, etc. for the best work flow.
We would greatly appreciate hearing from you about what you are doing in
this area. If you or know of anybody in or near the Madison or Chicago
area and know of any working environments that you think are terrific and
we could talk to, please let me know.
Feel free to call me at any time.
Thank you

Eric Vidar
Graphic Systems Administrator
Pleasant Company
608.836.4848
[e-mail]